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1 posted on 02/05/2005 7:02:30 AM PST by ShadowAce
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Linux/Microsoft Ping!


2 posted on 02/05/2005 7:03:05 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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PArt of the issue - which IS changing is the number of legacy apps still running. I work in healthcare IT and so many new applications coming out are running Linux that it is not funny - often from developers experience in ecommerce that requires systems to be cheap and bulletproof.


3 posted on 02/05/2005 7:08:22 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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"Paul Thurrott" - Bill Gates' latest pen name(?)


5 posted on 02/05/2005 7:23:39 AM PST by The Duke
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I'd say that this author is a wee bit biased (of course, I am too). But I don't think he is being entirely honest here. He talks of the perceived benefits of Linux vs what he describes as the actual benefits of Windows. Howsoever, he does have a point on the amount of units sold. Given that, it is easy to assume that windows rules on the Internet, when that (from what I've read) is just plain not the case.


6 posted on 02/05/2005 7:29:00 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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I think what is helping Microsoft is that Windows Server 2003 and Exchange Server 2003 are very nice server operating systems even with the fairly substantial licensing costs.

Linux is primarily used in environments where high data output are necessary such as supercomputing environments and in trafficking of Internet data.

8 posted on 02/05/2005 7:41:28 AM PST by RayChuang88
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In 1995 I was just learning Novell Netware. Netware ruled. Novell had the world by the donkey. Everyone was wanting to run Netware. CNEs were commanding bigtime money. Novell amassed millions in cash reserves, had no debt, and was the darling of Wall Street. Novell became ARROGANT.

At the time, Microsoft was just releasing Windows 95, and oh yeah, they had some glorified peer to peer solution called NT 3.51. It wasn't much, and nothing really ran on it, and it crashed a lot, and there weren't many administrative tools for it.

Now it's 2005. Windows servers have huge amounts of market share. The MCSE is a common credential. Everyone runs M$ products. M$ has, at last count, $500 billion in the bank. While no longer the darling of Wall Street, they are paying dividends now.

The Buzz, momentum, and hype has gone to Linux. Linux in many ways still can't compete with XP on the desktop, but it now runs servers as well as anything M$ produces. Hundreds of thousands of people keep working on Linux every day, and major competitors to M$ have dumped massive amounts of their code into the project.

By comparison, Microsoft hasn't released a significant upgrade (ie, DOS to Win95) in years to its server software, or its Office suite, or its desktop. Worse yet, they've lost all credibility due to missed deadlines, dropped features, security concerns, and not a small amount of fear among its partners. They are ARROGANT.

And so the globe spins, and the "goes around, comes around" thing happens.


11 posted on 02/05/2005 7:50:58 AM PST by TWohlford
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So what do you think? Is Linux the next big thing, or will it simply snag a few key niche markets like most of Microsoft's past competitors have?

I think he may be right about the server/database/back office type stuff, but if Microsoft cannot get the spam and virus and spyware situation under control, they are going to lose significant desktop share to Linux and Mac.

Most of the Windows computers I've used at other people's houses in the last year run like a ten-year-old Pentium II because of all the spyware infestation.

-ccm

12 posted on 02/05/2005 7:51:10 AM PST by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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Sure doesn't square with my experience. In 2004 about 2/3 of the six or so organizations whose operations I know initiated or added to Linux servers.

Note that revenue is not a reasonable way of describing Linux growth. Of these same organizations only one has paid for all its copies of Linux. More typical is to buy one copy, clone the rest. That is perfectly legal (and for that matter is the practice I recommend).


16 posted on 02/05/2005 8:08:04 AM PST by Wisconsin
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We're just starting to see some people come around to the notion that a largely untested solution such as Linux can be as insecure or more insecure than Windows, given improper configuration.

Lol if you set it up wrong its just as insecure as windows... Wow

17 posted on 02/05/2005 8:12:21 AM PST by N3WBI3
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While I do not use Windows myself for a desktop OS, I can at least understand the reason why people do use it.

What I cannot fathom is why anyone uses it as a server OS. It is truly awful as a server OS.


20 posted on 02/05/2005 8:17:12 AM PST by B Knotts
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Linux seems stuck in a perpetual holding pattern, unable to eat away at Microsoft's server market share.

What "market share"? The number of units sold? Annual revenue? The author seems to use the latter measurement. That could simply mean that Microsoft products are more expensive, or have to be replaced more often, or both.

Market share does not accurately reflect the size of the installed base. That's the measurement I'm more interested in.

36 posted on 02/05/2005 9:06:08 AM PST by HAL9000 (Skype me at "FreeRepublic")
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Linux has steadily been gaining in any aspect you want to measure. For example, I'm typing this on a Fedora Core 2 system which is very nice.

Having said that, the problem that I see is that Linux users are used to getting their software for free. This works OK for so called "killer apps" like web browsers, email clients, mp3 players etc. But there are other apps which don't fall into that category but are "killer apps" for individuals. Maybe it's a particular accounting package you're used to working with and you've got years of legacy data on. Or maybe it's a particular game that you enjoy playing. Or whatever.

I guess what it comes down to is that there are free replacments for a lot of apps but there aren't free replacements for all possible apps.

At some point, the for-profit software business model does make some sense. And up to this point, you don't see the for-profit companies rushing in to make either free or not-free versions of their software for linux.

They don't see a large enough installed base, they don't want to give away their products, and they don't think the linux community will cotton to the idea of paying for software since they got their OS and most of their apps for free.

For linux to hit the bigtime, I think this Rubicon will have to be crossed. It should be interesting to watch.


45 posted on 02/05/2005 9:29:01 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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If the windows server software is so good, why does Hotmail still use the Apache Server software? I remember an article not to long ago stating that MS 'quietly' switched from Apache to Windows Server, then 'even more quietly' switched back due to MS's server failing constantly.

MS is still running Apache for Hotmail.

http://www.lege.com/unix-nt/hotmail.html
64 posted on 02/05/2005 11:46:26 AM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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There is no such thing as open-source and there never will be despite all the noble efforts.

We live in a market-driven, capitalistic society, like it or not. The profit motive drives everything, not nobility.
82 posted on 02/05/2005 1:54:25 PM PST by Beckwith (Barbara Boxer is the Wicked Witch of the West . . .)
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Are you sure you have the source right? This isn't the Microsoft PR department?

a largely untested solution such as Linux

What orifice did he pull this out of?

107 posted on 02/07/2005 6:44:39 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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Huh?

Top Developers
Developer January 2005 Percent February 2005 Percent Change
Apache 39821368 68.43 40681140 68.83 0.40
Microsoft 12137446 20.86 12322111 20.85 -0.01
Sun 1830008 3.14 1835718 3.11 -0.03
Zeus 690193 1.19 618599 1.05 -0.14

120 posted on 02/07/2005 9:11:12 AM PST by Redcloak (More cleverly arranged 1's and 0's)
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