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1 posted on 02/04/2005 2:40:25 PM PST by Cornpone
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No money to the government. Private groups like World Vision, etc. do more good with less money than just handing over money to these governments. Most treat aid as their own personal bank accounts.


2 posted on 02/04/2005 2:42:43 PM PST by cyborg
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I'm glad we shot it down. I'm willing to bet 70% of african aid money ends up lining the pockets of gov't officials. Make it 90% if the UN is involved.


3 posted on 02/04/2005 2:43:45 PM PST by pissant
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It was an outrage to let Africa sink further into disease and poverty, he said.

No! Africa is sinking itself further in to disease and poverty by allowing despots to use money designated for capital improvements as their own private slush find to pay for expensive European vacations.

4 posted on 02/04/2005 2:45:33 PM PST by Tamar1973 (“Someone who doesn't know the difference between good & evil is worth nothing.”)
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they have every resource they need to be thriving..no handouts


6 posted on 02/04/2005 2:47:08 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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It was an outrage to let Africa sink further into disease and poverty, he said.

How about reforming some of these money-pit governments so aid gets where it's supposed to go ? Case in point - Zimbabwe, once the jewel of the sub-Sahara but look at it now; or the potential of places like Zaire and Angola. Instead we see Botswana going downhill, ditto Namibia, ditto SA. Mozambique & Zambia seem to be making an effort so all is not lost yet.

8 posted on 02/04/2005 2:49:58 PM PST by 1066AD
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Mandela, that old commie, should read the thread on the worthless Kenyan government and its misuse of the AIDS funds the West has sent them. Africans can't manage such things, apparently.


9 posted on 02/04/2005 2:50:28 PM PST by kittymyrib
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screw Mandela in his sorry arse, let him get $50bn a year from his commie pals


11 posted on 02/04/2005 2:51:43 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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But former South African president Nelson Mandela said he would accept no half measures.

Have I missed something here?

Nelson "Necklace" Mandela (whose past atrocities have been conveniently forgotten) acts as though we owe something to them.

The US has sunk mucho dollars into the African aid programs, not only from our tax coffers, but from the hearts and pocket books of Americans.

I kinda resent this demanding attitude.

There is so much wrong in Africa that a 50 billion dollar a year extortion isn't going to change one bit of it.

It seems like every damn time that the checkbook is opened by all these other countries, the only persons that are capable of signing it are the Americans. Like someone else on this forum once said, when these folks dial 911, the damn phone rings in the USA.

When are some of these other countries gonna get an extension?

13 posted on 02/04/2005 2:56:56 PM PST by OldSmaj (Jihad this, Islam! Your religion is false and your god is non-existent! Come get me.)
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"We are here to claim justice," the frail 86-year-old told the G7 ministers. "Do not delay while poor people continue to suffer," he said, demanding a full write-off of African debt and $50 billion extra a year in aid for the next decade."

Africa has been inhabited for thousands of years, they have fertile soil,ample natural resources, and have had trillions donated on their behalf. Its like that place is a test from God to test our benevolence to our fellow man.I'm just just not that religious. Maybe its the outrageous behavior of Mandela in his mega-jackson style shake-down attempt, or just the futility of it all, but sooner or later, this mess is going to be settled via natural selection.
14 posted on 02/04/2005 2:58:40 PM PST by zygoat
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I'm sure Bono will be heard from with more of his self righteous demands on Americans?


17 posted on 02/04/2005 3:06:01 PM PST by Mulch
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Some time ago, I read this essay by Kim du Toit, former African with an insider's look at Africa.

I have to say, I have never seen anything, ever, to dispute what he says or that indicates any improvement. It's a sad, sad thing.

19 posted on 02/04/2005 3:09:00 PM PST by LarkNeelie (Shock 'N Awe - liberals stunned by defeat on 11/2/04)
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Considering that the European countries once colonized Africa, maybe justice would be served if they sent their money there.

British East Africa, French West Africa, the Belgian Congo, etc.

24 posted on 02/04/2005 5:55:54 PM PST by etcetera ("The natural state of man is to be in rebellion against the natural state." - the Diplomad)
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Bush slaps down Brown's plan to double Africa aid

By Francis Harris in Washington and Andrew Sparrow
(Filed: 03/06/2005)
The Telegraph (UK)

President George W Bush has rebuffed Gordon Brown's plan to double aid to Africa, days before Tony Blair arrives in Washington to argue its merits.

In a humiliating slap down for one of the Chancellor's pet projects, Mr Bush voiced his administration's dislike of the idea in person for the first time.

"We've made our position pretty clear on that: that it doesn't fit into our budgetary process," he said after a meeting with South Africa's President Thabo Mbeki.

Downing Street yesterday played down Mr Bush's remarks, with officials pointing out that the Government was still in negotiations on the issue that will continue until the G8 summit in Gleneagles next month.

But an official at No 10 added: "You should not be too surprised if not all members of the G8 are signed up to everything we want to do. The Prime Minister has deliberately set the bar high on Africa because he believes that we need to make a really significant move forward to help the continent." Despite this, Mr Blair was very keen to get a "critical mass of support" for the idea.

Mr Blair arrives in Washington next Monday for talks with Mr Bush that will cover the African aid proposals. Mr Brown has invested huge personal political capital in the scheme. Both he and Mr Blair are touting the plan, which would double development aid to African countries by £27.5 billion a year.

America was not consulted on the scheme. But, to assume its share of the burden, it would be expected to raise a total of $12 billion (£6.6 billion) a year at a time of severe budgetary cutbacks.

Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, was asked yesterday why Mr Bush had been so "dismissive" of the British idea. There are "many, many areas where we agree", he replied. But, he added, the president had made plain his own stance on the Africa plan.

The American position is likely to enrage aid campaigners such as Sir Bob Geldof, who has urged a million demonstrators to take to the streets of Edinburgh to demand more aid for the continent before the G8 summit. The pop singer this week warned the G8 leaders to come to Scotland only if they were ready to take real action to help Africa.

The Treasury has been trying to persuade its American counterpart of its plans for the scheme known as the international finance facility, funded through borrowing on the capital markets, for much of the past year.

Mr Brown has also lobbied for the cancellation of £22 billion in debt for the world's poorest countries but has run into American objections. Washington has backed the idea but wants to deduct the sum from future aid budgets. The British want to make the debt write-off a gift. Part of America's irritation with the debate on Africa is the way the rest of the world downplays or ignores its own increases in aid.

But the poor personal relationship between Mr Brown and America's treasury secretary, John Snow, is also to blame for the tension between the two counties. While the Bush administration feels affection for Mr Blair, most notably for his support in Iraq, there are no signs that it feels the same warmth for Mr Brown.

25 posted on 06/02/2005 5:35:55 PM PDT by blam
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They came out with Plan A last week. Milk the richest countries, the US, Japan, etc..India. The usual America haters. Do more, give more, shut up, sit down, solve the world's problems, don't poke your nose where you're not wanted, etc.. But gimme, gimme, gimme.


26 posted on 06/02/2005 5:39:47 PM PDT by hershey
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