Corporate jet crashes during takeoff

MSNBC

[HAL9000]

breaking on msnbc

[thoughtomator]

Ah I feel complete now!

[nw_arizona_granny]

I think I'm having trouble visualizing how the laser would be pointed at
the cockpit and hit the pilots.

Wouldn't you have to be up higher than the plane?

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The plane didn't get off the ground, so a nearby overpass,
possibly even the cab of a semi truck, or the roof of a house, would make it very easy.

I have read reports that suggested the many hazardous semi
trucks that are crashing on that one main highway (is it I-95?), maybe lasers that have been shined in the drivers
eyes from an overpass.

You wouldn't instantly go blind, there could be several
seconds before you started to fight it.

When my eyes go black, I will find myself still typing or even still clicking the mouse, before I become aware that
I cannot see the screen.

A good driver, on a straight road or runway, would cover
quite a distance, before it would dawn on him to stop.

From the sound of the reports, the fools with lasers have
been on the ground, I assume, aiming at a spot and waiting for the pilot to fly into the beam.

According to the Gov reports, we are talking about a large number, up to 100 reported incidents.

[Taxman]

In the case of the Challenger space shuttle, it MOST DEFINITELY WAS NOT a design flaw that caused the accident!

The Challenger accident was caused by some extremely poor decision making by NASA poobahs, who were under the gun to get a Shuttle into the air.

NASA's own procurement specifications for the solid rocket boosters called for an ambient air temperature of 59 degrees F or higher at launch time!

Morton Thiokol engineers pleaded with NASA not to launch because they knew the rubber gaskets would burn through (in fact there had been some small burn-throughs in the gaskets previous to the Challenger disaster). All occurred on cold weather launches, but no Shuttle had ever been launched in thirty degree temperatures.

Cold weather shrinks things, and no amount of PR bullshit will change that inconvenient law of nature.

At the time the Challenger was launched, the ambient air temperature was in the thirties; the temperature at Cape Canaveral had been below FReezing for several hours prior to launch; and there was excess ice all over the solid rocket boosters, the main tank and Challenger (it had also rained).

Bottom line, a very poor (criminal IMHO) NASA Marketing decision was the direct cause of the accident!

[nw_arizona_granny]

Anything Calpernia can do, I can top!

LOL

+ A HUG

[Mamzelle]

What about that one from Raytheon? That expensive to operate? I'm also curious, how many gallons of fuel (per hour, mile, whatever) doe these little jets use?

[Mamzelle]

I understand that there's a new one, an "air taxi", that will come in for under a million. I think that's a critical price tag for seeing many, many new jets in the air, since many high-end twin-engines go for not much less than a million.

I'm wondering how that'll change "hobby" flying, too.

[BigSkyFreeper]

No! I wasn't up all night! LOL

The Canadair CL-600-1A11 Challenger 600 Short final to 35L - Denver Centennial Airport (KAPA).

[Dashing Dasher]

ping

[SlowBoat407]

picture of a black jet at night?

[BigSkyFreeper]

Ah damn. Oh well, I guess they don't like other sites using their bandwidth. My FTP space is down, so I can't upload the image for online viewing.

[monday]

"Bottom line, a very poor (criminal IMHO) NASA Marketing decision was the direct cause of the accident!"

I agree. They probably would have delayed the launch except for all the media attention given to that teacher that was being sent into space.

The lesson is, don't allow marketing and PR people make operational decisions. Whoever dreamed up the idea for sending a teacher into space was probably ultimately responsible for the malfunction.

[monday]

"What about that one from Raytheon? That expensive to operate? I'm also curious, how many gallons of fuel (per hour, mile, whatever) doe these little jets use?"


I don't know. Go to http://www.controller.com/ to see whats on the market. From there you can go to individual manufacturers web sites to find out more about specific models.

[zip]

The moral of this story (and previous incident) is "don't fly in February".

[Brian Allen]

<< An aborted takeoff into structures is always a better bet than a crash after [Takeoff] >>

Or as they say, gotta go with one or another of Inertia or Gravity?

Stats are simple: Gravity never loses!

[Jim Robinson]

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[bootless]

At least in flight, it's most common for ice to accumulate on the leading edges of the wings, tail, nose and any antennas sticking out.

[World'sGoneInsane]

The planes that were lased were all landing.

Lased? Lased? Is that really a word?

I just had to jump in on this nitpicking thread. LOL...

It's good to see there were no fatalities. When the story first broke this morning, it looked like no one survived.

[Darksheare]

I know.
Lased is a word, used more in the world of "over dirt green' and MRE's than in the civilian world.

I'd thought no-one could have lived through that, but apparently last I checked one was critical and the rest had various injuries.

And one plane so far was lased while taking off.
*shrugs*
Weird, and apprently some of the lasings (Dazzle flashing) happened near gay nightclubs since the green laser pointers are used in the nightclubs to point out the 'hot guys' or some such.
*snort*
Ugh.

[bootless]

I *love* 405! I showed it at an aviation weekend conference I organize, and EVERYONE was in stitches.

[bootless]

Not again! Sheesh!