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Freemasonry's Influence in Europe
Zenit.org ^ | January 30, 2005 | Zenit

Posted on 01/30/2005 7:07:08 PM PST by AncientAirs

Incompatible With Christian Religion, Says Historian

MADRID, Spain, JAN. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- To understand what is happening in Europe, the phenomenon of Masonry must be taken into account, says Protestant historian César Vidal.

The director of the program "La Linterna" of the Spanish bishops' COPE radio network, Vidal has just written a book, "Los Masones: La Historia de la Sociedad Secreta Más Poderosa" (The Freemasons: History of the Most Powerful Secret Society), published by Planeta.

Among other things, the book addresses the Masonic influence in the most important events of recent Spanish history, especially since the election last March of the Spanish Socialist Labor Party (PSOE).

Vidal says that "the secularist current promoted by the government headed by José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero shares more than enough Masonry's rank anti-clericalism."

The author explains that the Freemasons have an enormous role in the European Union and, by way of example, says that "the project of the European Constitution has been driven by a Freemason," Valéry Giscard D'Estaing, "who has excluded mention of the continent's Christian roots and, in addition, has insisted on the inclusion of an article that subjects the churches of the different nations but frees 'philosophical organizations' from that obligation."

Vidal has doctorates in history, philosophy and theology, and a law degree.

Q: Which outstanding personalities in Spain were and are Masons, a fact known by very few people?

Vidal: The list would be too long and some, only some, are mentioned in my book "The Freemasons." Suffice it to say by way of illustration that the Grand Master of the great Spanish east is Dr. Josep Corominas, PSOE deputy; that the special five-member commission that established Felipe González as the PSOE's secretary-general has three Masons among its members -- one of them the future president of the Senate -- and that Rodríguez Zapatero's grandfather was a Freemason.

Q: Can it be said that Masonry is behind the secularist current that is being witnessed in Spain?

Vidal: What can be said without danger of exaggeration is that the secularist current promoted by the government that José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero heads shares, more than enough, Masonry's rank anti-clericalism.

Q: What role does it have and might have in the European Union?

Vidal: Enormous if one takes into account that the project of the European Constitution has been promoted by a Freemason who has excluded mention of the continent's Christian roots and, in addition, has insisted on the inclusion of an article that subjects the Churches to the different nations but frees "philosophical organizations" from that obligation.

Q: In what way, over the last century, has Masonry been present in the history of Spain?

Vidal: Repeatedly and lamentably. A very important role must be attributed to Masonry in the pro-independence movements of Cuba and the Philippines, in anti-clerical and secularist campaigns, in the erosion of the parliamentary monarchy of the Restoration, going so far as to take recourse to terrorism, in the proclamation of the Second Republic and, very especially, in the redaction of a Republican Constitution which created a social break that led to the Civil War.

Q: Can you tell us about concrete events that prove its struggle against Catholicism?

Vidal: That is the history of Masonry since the 18th century, but suffice it to recall, by way of example, that Rodolfo Llopis, Freemason and Socialist, became secretary-general of the PSOE [and] promoted the anti-Christian educational legislation of the Second Republic; or scandals such as that of the Banca Ambrosiana which were linked directly to the Masons' action.

Q: What were Masonry's origins?

Vidal: The real origins of Masonry date back to the end of the 17th and early 18th centuries, when groups of individuals attracted by occult gnosis founded meeting places in which, supposedly, it was transmitted.

Of course, they talk about origins that refer to pagan religions, to gnosis, to a nonexistent personality of Solomon's time and also to the druids.

Q: What are its most characteristic features, objectives and present structure? Is it a religion?

Vidal: Though Freemasons deny it, the truth is that the Masonic cosmo-vision is not one proper to a philanthropic society as they often say, but that of a religion. That circumstance explains, precisely, the repeated condemnations of the Holy See and of the other Christian confessions, which consider membership in Masonry incompatible with Christianity.

Masonry might be described as a secret society, with an initiative structure, a gnostic cosmo-vision, and an existential manifestation which makes it easy for its members to help one another when it comes to occupying important posts in society.

Q: What percentage of Freemasons are there at present?

Vidal: Without a doubt, very small. In France it is said that they are not more than 0.6% of the population. However, that has not prevented their controlling the Socialist International or their spreading in the Right itself, through personalities such as Giscard D'Estaing.

Q: In what vital points of our society -- especially in economic, political and intellectual circles and the media -- are Freemasons present?

Vidal: There are sectors that have always been of interest to Freemasons. Needless to say, politics where they control the Socialist International and have entered powerfully in parties of the Right. No less is their weight in the world of communications and, very especially, their interest in education, justice and the armed forces.

In France, for example, the "affaire des fiches" revealed to what extent Masonic officers were promoted and Catholics, on the contrary, blocked from promotion. ZE05013020


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To: Little Bill
????????????????

Sound like he took a class in modern art.

41 posted on 01/30/2005 10:37:13 PM PST by uglybiker (The most popular guy at a nudist camp can carry 2 cups of coffee and a dozen doughnuts)
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To: ExSoldier
Hooray!, good for you!, hallelujah!, you have done right. Those of us who have seen it know. People will scoff and mock and call this topic 'tinfoil' and pass the popcorn, amused at the so called debate, but it matters not, you are right, and what you say is true, because this is a spiritual issue to the core, and you have evaluated it right, and you choose the Lord Jesus Christ, your Savior, and love Him more than the desire to please men.
42 posted on 01/31/2005 12:17:45 AM PST by Gal.5:1 (note to self: speak the truth in love)
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To: ExSoldier
Huh. So Shriners go around dying their hats in the blood of murdered Christians. Right. (And it didn't happen in the 8th century, either.)
43 posted on 01/31/2005 12:56:25 AM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Gal.5:1; narses; Siobhan; sandyeggo; Domestic Church; Salvation; kstewskis; american colleen; ...
The deniers seem almost frenzied in their attempt to denigrate and pooh-pooh the very idea of a Masonic influence in the world that could be evil. If printed words could have sounds,this thread would be shrieking shrilly. Quite telling I would say.
44 posted on 01/31/2005 1:20:35 AM PST by saradippity
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To: nmh

Ooh,what happened? Did your knee jerk and hit you in the eyes,temporarily blinding you to the first sentence. The writer,Cesar Vidal is a Protestant historian.


45 posted on 01/31/2005 1:24:06 AM PST by saradippity
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To: AncientAirs

The Freemasons: Someone you trust is one of us! ;)


46 posted on 01/31/2005 1:24:50 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: AncientAirs

They used to be powerful.


47 posted on 01/31/2005 1:24:59 AM PST by Pro-Bush (Can't afford Medical care? Thank an illegal alien.)
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To: saradippity

The creator of the EU constitution was a freemason? That's all I want to know about that wretched cult.


48 posted on 01/31/2005 1:43:06 AM PST by Colosis (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: Servant of the 9

Another 'bunch of crap' article.


49 posted on 01/31/2005 2:18:56 AM PST by grannie9
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To: Colosis
Freemasonry is NOT a cult and if it weren't for Masons,there probably would have been NO United States of America.Well, not the way it was and is.

George Washington was a Mason and so were a large percent of our presidents and governors and people you respect highly.The men who threw the BOSTON TEA PARTY were all MASONS!

The people who designed and laid out the government buildings in D.C.,were,you guessed it....... MASONS!

Making very stupid statements,because you are ill educated on the topic,seems to be your and others on this thread,only additions to a worthless,tinfoil thread.

50 posted on 01/31/2005 2:30:17 AM PST by nopardons
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To: sandyeggo

It's bovine excrement!


51 posted on 01/31/2005 2:32:02 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Domestic Church

And a French priest blamed the French Revolutions on Masons and Jews. If you believe this tinfoil,you'll believe anything,as long as it suits your ignorant biases.


52 posted on 01/31/2005 2:34:18 AM PST by nopardons
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To: ExSoldier
You are allowed to have your own opinions,but when those opinions are libel,you shouldn't spread them like the manure they are.

Shriners have nothing whatsoever to do with Muslim nor Muslim teachings.Slander and libel,based on thin air,are worthless and damning.

53 posted on 01/31/2005 2:41:24 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nmh
It's a CATHOLIC organization bad mouthing the Protestants, again.

According to the article the man who wrote the book is a Protestant. Not all Protestants are Freemasons, and many Protestants have problems with Freemasonry just like a lot of Catholics. On the other hand, there are some Catholics who are Freemasons. This isn't as "broad brush" as issue as you suggest it is.

54 posted on 01/31/2005 3:16:18 AM PST by Diva
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To: dread78645

Ah come on that's the Stone Cutters Not the Masons! ;)


55 posted on 01/31/2005 3:23:25 AM PST by Diva
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To: nopardons
Whoa! Don't lose the run of yourself there. As I said, the ex-French president who has drafted the EU constitution (yes, that socialist, Godless document)is a mason. Nuff said.
56 posted on 01/31/2005 3:34:45 AM PST by Colosis (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: Caesar Soze; nopardons; Quix
As I said in post #27.......

As far as libel goes, I don't think the masons have this habit of taking anybody to court, since then there would for sure be NO more secrets! Not that there are, anymore, anyway. ROFLMAO. No the manifest doctrine is to ignore any and all assaults. Why can't you folks? I'll tell you why: Because deep down inside you know that when a neophyte takes the Apprentice degree and is blindfolded, left foot, knee and breast bared and kneeling....he is asked "WHAT DO YOU SEEK?" Well, HE doesn't know and the prompt of course is light. Well, we both know, don't we that the light they're talking about AIN'T the light of JESUS CHRIST, don't we? What does Luicifer mean, btw? Bringer of the LIGHT, hey?

One thing is for sure, Quix, I poked the DEVIL and he is responding. Pray for me brother. Spread the word to some of the real Christian folks we both know that ExSoldier has poked the DEVIL on a board and SATAN is responding! And ExSoldier is having some fun, would they like to play as well?

57 posted on 01/31/2005 3:37:10 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: nopardons
based on thin air, are worthless and damning.

If it's so thin, why is your response so vitriolic? Oh and the muslims never used a curved sword with a broad blade known as a scimitar? The symbol (besides the Fez) of the Shriner? Right. Hey, I teach world history.....c'mon and tell me about that.....

58 posted on 01/31/2005 3:42:21 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: AncientAirs
You can thank me later. I guarantee I'm going to keep this thread HOPPING way beyond it's normal life span. Good thread.
59 posted on 01/31/2005 3:44:37 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: saradippity

NO, but I see the venon you have matches the Cathoics that wrote this clap trap.


60 posted on 01/31/2005 3:48:45 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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