Posted on 01/30/2005 7:07:08 PM PST by AncientAirs
Incompatible With Christian Religion, Says Historian
MADRID, Spain, JAN. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- To understand what is happening in Europe, the phenomenon of Masonry must be taken into account, says Protestant historian César Vidal.
The director of the program "La Linterna" of the Spanish bishops' COPE radio network, Vidal has just written a book, "Los Masones: La Historia de la Sociedad Secreta Más Poderosa" (The Freemasons: History of the Most Powerful Secret Society), published by Planeta.
Among other things, the book addresses the Masonic influence in the most important events of recent Spanish history, especially since the election last March of the Spanish Socialist Labor Party (PSOE).
Vidal says that "the secularist current promoted by the government headed by José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero shares more than enough Masonry's rank anti-clericalism."
The author explains that the Freemasons have an enormous role in the European Union and, by way of example, says that "the project of the European Constitution has been driven by a Freemason," Valéry Giscard D'Estaing, "who has excluded mention of the continent's Christian roots and, in addition, has insisted on the inclusion of an article that subjects the churches of the different nations but frees 'philosophical organizations' from that obligation."
Vidal has doctorates in history, philosophy and theology, and a law degree.
Q: Which outstanding personalities in Spain were and are Masons, a fact known by very few people?
Vidal: The list would be too long and some, only some, are mentioned in my book "The Freemasons." Suffice it to say by way of illustration that the Grand Master of the great Spanish east is Dr. Josep Corominas, PSOE deputy; that the special five-member commission that established Felipe González as the PSOE's secretary-general has three Masons among its members -- one of them the future president of the Senate -- and that Rodríguez Zapatero's grandfather was a Freemason.
Q: Can it be said that Masonry is behind the secularist current that is being witnessed in Spain?
Vidal: What can be said without danger of exaggeration is that the secularist current promoted by the government that José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero heads shares, more than enough, Masonry's rank anti-clericalism.
Q: What role does it have and might have in the European Union?
Vidal: Enormous if one takes into account that the project of the European Constitution has been promoted by a Freemason who has excluded mention of the continent's Christian roots and, in addition, has insisted on the inclusion of an article that subjects the Churches to the different nations but frees "philosophical organizations" from that obligation.
Q: In what way, over the last century, has Masonry been present in the history of Spain?
Vidal: Repeatedly and lamentably. A very important role must be attributed to Masonry in the pro-independence movements of Cuba and the Philippines, in anti-clerical and secularist campaigns, in the erosion of the parliamentary monarchy of the Restoration, going so far as to take recourse to terrorism, in the proclamation of the Second Republic and, very especially, in the redaction of a Republican Constitution which created a social break that led to the Civil War.
Q: Can you tell us about concrete events that prove its struggle against Catholicism?
Vidal: That is the history of Masonry since the 18th century, but suffice it to recall, by way of example, that Rodolfo Llopis, Freemason and Socialist, became secretary-general of the PSOE [and] promoted the anti-Christian educational legislation of the Second Republic; or scandals such as that of the Banca Ambrosiana which were linked directly to the Masons' action.
Q: What were Masonry's origins?
Vidal: The real origins of Masonry date back to the end of the 17th and early 18th centuries, when groups of individuals attracted by occult gnosis founded meeting places in which, supposedly, it was transmitted.
Of course, they talk about origins that refer to pagan religions, to gnosis, to a nonexistent personality of Solomon's time and also to the druids.
Q: What are its most characteristic features, objectives and present structure? Is it a religion?
Vidal: Though Freemasons deny it, the truth is that the Masonic cosmo-vision is not one proper to a philanthropic society as they often say, but that of a religion. That circumstance explains, precisely, the repeated condemnations of the Holy See and of the other Christian confessions, which consider membership in Masonry incompatible with Christianity.
Masonry might be described as a secret society, with an initiative structure, a gnostic cosmo-vision, and an existential manifestation which makes it easy for its members to help one another when it comes to occupying important posts in society.
Q: What percentage of Freemasons are there at present?
Vidal: Without a doubt, very small. In France it is said that they are not more than 0.6% of the population. However, that has not prevented their controlling the Socialist International or their spreading in the Right itself, through personalities such as Giscard D'Estaing.
Q: In what vital points of our society -- especially in economic, political and intellectual circles and the media -- are Freemasons present?
Vidal: There are sectors that have always been of interest to Freemasons. Needless to say, politics where they control the Socialist International and have entered powerfully in parties of the Right. No less is their weight in the world of communications and, very especially, their interest in education, justice and the armed forces.
In France, for example, the "affaire des fiches" revealed to what extent Masonic officers were promoted and Catholics, on the contrary, blocked from promotion. ZE05013020
What religion/sect do you belong to? Please do be specific.
And since you believe that it's GOD's job,then quick trying to do HIS job!
So, your only excuse is to beg the question.
Well, that says it all. lol
Nobody but the King of Kings has the credentials to rule the world. Anybody that tries deserves the bruises that they get.
Either the Masons are NOT trying to run the world;which is factual and the truth!
Or they ARE running the world.Nows,if they ARE running the world and you keep being nasty to them,you'd better run away and hide,because they're going to find you and destroy you.:-)
Do you also believe that "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION" is a factual book and true?
Trust me,he doesn't know anything! He's a wannabe preacher,is all.
Nah! I've got a friend that promised that all his friends win, and dying for him is a guarantee of eternal life. Neat, huh?
Do you believe that "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION is fact?
You believe that YOU have to DIE FOR CHRIST? Then WHY did HE die for us? You haven't gotten anything at all correct,yet.You really should give up...GOD will NOT be mocked and that's all you've done thus far.
"So the reason for your anger and dysfunction dates back to the 6th grade? Why are you laying it on me? Do we know each other?"That sort of juvenile reply comes from either intellectual dishonesty, or a lack of intelligence altogether.
" Nobody but the King of Kings has the credentials to rule the world. Anybody that tries deserves the bruises that they get."
I see you, ugly biker and Axel on these threads amongst the doomsayers and the tinfoilers. You give reasoned thought amongst these loons. As I said, I'm not always able to jump in, but will when I can
Thanks
Reading through your comments, such as they are, to the end of this thread; You fail to answer questions put to you. An easy one - to which denomination do you adhere?
Much like one anti-Masonic poster who claimed to have been a Mason but couldn't recall what office he held nor even respond to the question as to Lodge membership -- passing strange indeed.
You obviously buy into the centuries old conspiracy theory about a plot for global domination by Masons.
Those claims are debunked at http://www.masonicinfo.com
The foundation for your convictions is, as nopardons has pointed out, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Do you believe that document is authentic?
Islamists and Islamic terrorists hate Freemasonry with a passion? Islamists denounce Freemasonry and attack Masons and Lodges. Islamists hate Freemasonry for the same reasons that hate America - think about it. (I'll even give you a hint: freedom, liberty, liberty of the individual conscience, religious freedom, toleration for religious minorities in a given society, opposition to all forms of tyranny, a belief in the equal dignity and worth of all human beings, a desire to see those who suffer helped, etc.).
The anti-Masons on this thread (per usual) are offered fact, substantiated and documented; as well as credible personal testimony by Masons. The anti-Masons simply ignore fact and reply with continued conspiracy theories, ad hominem attacks, straw men, innuendo, condescension and insults.
Every 'Anti-Mason' thread on FR always seems to pan out exactly the same way. It is really very telling.
Thanks, Axel.
It's interesting how the naysayers love to make their claims about Albert Pike. Some will go so far as to use one two sentence quotes from Morals and Dogma to back up their case. But they always seem to forget this one:
"The teachings of these readings are not sacramental, so far as they go beyond the realm of Morality into those of other domains of Thought and Truth. The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite uses the word "Dogma" in its true sense, of doctrne, or teaching; and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgement."
................Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma
You earlier posted that Tubal-Cain was the first witch mentioned in the Holy Bible. Can you give me the scripture in the Bible that specifically identifies him as such?
Not neat at all, sounds more like you are talking about Mohammed than Jesus.
Mohammed asks his followers to die for him, Jesus died for his followers.
Nah! I've got a friend that promised that all his friends win, and dying for him is a guarantee of eternal life. Neat, huh?
I would say it is safe to say that the puppy done gone and messed on the carpet.
That statement proves that self esteem thing-doesn't matter what the truth is, the truth is whatever you want it to be.
If he can twist that simple concept around, the rest of his mental acrobatics gotta come easy
Thank you and thank you for "jumping in" too,when you can. :-)
Well,at least the KOOKS are consistent......consistently goofy!
Nailed in one. LOL
What?!! You haven't been reading your 'Bible of Fremasonry'?! How the heck are we supposed to take over the world and enslave all of humanity if you don't know the game plan? I'm reporting you to the overlords nyah,nyah,nyah!
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