Posted on 01/30/2005 7:07:08 PM PST by AncientAirs
Incompatible With Christian Religion, Says Historian
MADRID, Spain, JAN. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- To understand what is happening in Europe, the phenomenon of Masonry must be taken into account, says Protestant historian César Vidal.
The director of the program "La Linterna" of the Spanish bishops' COPE radio network, Vidal has just written a book, "Los Masones: La Historia de la Sociedad Secreta Más Poderosa" (The Freemasons: History of the Most Powerful Secret Society), published by Planeta.
Among other things, the book addresses the Masonic influence in the most important events of recent Spanish history, especially since the election last March of the Spanish Socialist Labor Party (PSOE).
Vidal says that "the secularist current promoted by the government headed by José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero shares more than enough Masonry's rank anti-clericalism."
The author explains that the Freemasons have an enormous role in the European Union and, by way of example, says that "the project of the European Constitution has been driven by a Freemason," Valéry Giscard D'Estaing, "who has excluded mention of the continent's Christian roots and, in addition, has insisted on the inclusion of an article that subjects the churches of the different nations but frees 'philosophical organizations' from that obligation."
Vidal has doctorates in history, philosophy and theology, and a law degree.
Q: Which outstanding personalities in Spain were and are Masons, a fact known by very few people?
Vidal: The list would be too long and some, only some, are mentioned in my book "The Freemasons." Suffice it to say by way of illustration that the Grand Master of the great Spanish east is Dr. Josep Corominas, PSOE deputy; that the special five-member commission that established Felipe González as the PSOE's secretary-general has three Masons among its members -- one of them the future president of the Senate -- and that Rodríguez Zapatero's grandfather was a Freemason.
Q: Can it be said that Masonry is behind the secularist current that is being witnessed in Spain?
Vidal: What can be said without danger of exaggeration is that the secularist current promoted by the government that José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero heads shares, more than enough, Masonry's rank anti-clericalism.
Q: What role does it have and might have in the European Union?
Vidal: Enormous if one takes into account that the project of the European Constitution has been promoted by a Freemason who has excluded mention of the continent's Christian roots and, in addition, has insisted on the inclusion of an article that subjects the Churches to the different nations but frees "philosophical organizations" from that obligation.
Q: In what way, over the last century, has Masonry been present in the history of Spain?
Vidal: Repeatedly and lamentably. A very important role must be attributed to Masonry in the pro-independence movements of Cuba and the Philippines, in anti-clerical and secularist campaigns, in the erosion of the parliamentary monarchy of the Restoration, going so far as to take recourse to terrorism, in the proclamation of the Second Republic and, very especially, in the redaction of a Republican Constitution which created a social break that led to the Civil War.
Q: Can you tell us about concrete events that prove its struggle against Catholicism?
Vidal: That is the history of Masonry since the 18th century, but suffice it to recall, by way of example, that Rodolfo Llopis, Freemason and Socialist, became secretary-general of the PSOE [and] promoted the anti-Christian educational legislation of the Second Republic; or scandals such as that of the Banca Ambrosiana which were linked directly to the Masons' action.
Q: What were Masonry's origins?
Vidal: The real origins of Masonry date back to the end of the 17th and early 18th centuries, when groups of individuals attracted by occult gnosis founded meeting places in which, supposedly, it was transmitted.
Of course, they talk about origins that refer to pagan religions, to gnosis, to a nonexistent personality of Solomon's time and also to the druids.
Q: What are its most characteristic features, objectives and present structure? Is it a religion?
Vidal: Though Freemasons deny it, the truth is that the Masonic cosmo-vision is not one proper to a philanthropic society as they often say, but that of a religion. That circumstance explains, precisely, the repeated condemnations of the Holy See and of the other Christian confessions, which consider membership in Masonry incompatible with Christianity.
Masonry might be described as a secret society, with an initiative structure, a gnostic cosmo-vision, and an existential manifestation which makes it easy for its members to help one another when it comes to occupying important posts in society.
Q: What percentage of Freemasons are there at present?
Vidal: Without a doubt, very small. In France it is said that they are not more than 0.6% of the population. However, that has not prevented their controlling the Socialist International or their spreading in the Right itself, through personalities such as Giscard D'Estaing.
Q: In what vital points of our society -- especially in economic, political and intellectual circles and the media -- are Freemasons present?
Vidal: There are sectors that have always been of interest to Freemasons. Needless to say, politics where they control the Socialist International and have entered powerfully in parties of the Right. No less is their weight in the world of communications and, very especially, their interest in education, justice and the armed forces.
In France, for example, the "affaire des fiches" revealed to what extent Masonic officers were promoted and Catholics, on the contrary, blocked from promotion. ZE05013020
Dear Mr. PresbyRev are the Shinners a split or a schism type religion from Islam?
WOW! Really, Masonic have a secret bases on the far side of the moon! Never heard of that one, thanks for the laugh.
So using Muslim symbols etc was not necessarily some embracement of Islam, but just a way to communicate in a largely illiterate world that your organization is somehow linked or studies ancient wisdom and lore.
I had a discussion yesterday about the largely illiterate world population up to the 1936-40 time frame.
Our conclusion was globally 100 million (ballpark) illiterate people were killed off by the intellects in the 20th century trying to changing the world for the good of the people.
Anyway, I understand your communicate design point.
Thanks...
Is this a rorschach test?
I see a nomad on a camel.
I see what look like Shriners in costume.
I see symbols from ancient Egypt that pre-date Islam.
I see symbols that Muslims use that have been appropriated for more noble purposes by the Shriners. (Much like we Christians appropriated the use of pagan rites, symbols or activities thereby reclaiming what pagans had misused, in light of the incarnation of Jesus Christ, and dedicating those things to the glory of God).
The star reminds me of the star that led the eastern pagan magi to Christ where they recognized his deity and offered worship. The star also reminds me of the stars on our own American flag. Are the stars on our flag satanic or Islamic? The communists were known to stick a star or two on their flags as well. Better consult Texxe Marrs or Jack Chick.
Symbols are just that and have no intrinsic meaning, but are assigned meaning by those who use them.
Shriner imagery represents a bunch of fine men working to help little children.
That's what I see at least. What do you see?
Good one.
Symbols are just that and have no intrinsic meaning, but are assigned meaning by those who use them.
Well, I'm just asking the question to those who have the understand of the assigned symbol meanings.
Better consult Texe Marrs or Jack Chick.
WOW! Looked them up thanks to you and well, their out there.
Thanks for your help.
It must be a whole lot easier for zenit to worry about something so bogus as attacking the Masons than to worry about cleaning up the homosexuality of the priesthood.
It is funny to see however, the fundamentalist kooks join up with the Catholics to attack Masonry. Bet that is an interesting get together. Wonder who brings the snakes and who brings the bingo cards and wine?
I am one- and the people I met in that organization are the most honest, hard working, CONSERVATIVE people (and nicest) I even have known. And you must believe in God to be a Mason.
If ignorance is bliss, many of the anti-Masonic posters on this thread are obviously very happy.
That's where we keep all our SPAM servers. ;-)
The best nutty theory I've come across lately is that the Masons are actually a front for the Catholic Church to keep the Protestants in line.
I'm a Roman Catholic, hardly a group given great favor by the Masons, but a close family friend gave me a book explaining Freemasonry as an institution, and I have to say that at least now, this stuff about them being secularist and anti religious is a bunch of bull*hit. At the lodge (per what I read in the book, and saw going one day to the lodge with my friend who does custodial work at the lodge in between hall rentals), they have a bible (KJV of course) opend up. they don't allow drinking during their meetings etc. I aked him about a ritual I read about in an anti-mason book saying they stomped on an effigy of the Papal tiara, and he said absolutely not. He said in fact they open and close their meetings with prayer. Some people who have done great wrongs in this country have been members of the lodge, but many persons throughout history that have done other wrongs have been Catholics also...
Also, at the root of it, they're a charitable organization, same as one I'm a member of as a Catholic (KofC). At the highest levels, they worked with us to get "under God" originally added to the pledge.
LOL, when I was still attending Catholic school, my parents had my sister and I sign up for Job's daughters. My mother told us to NEVER wear the crucifix necklace to Job's daughters meetings, and wear no job's daughters jewelry to catholic school.
I found this to be too weird. I am unfamiliar with how masons function in meetings, (secret) only what Job's daughters did. The group read from the book of Job in the bible, and had ritual work. Nothing weird.
I was "raised" in Sequoia Lodge 327 (since changed by mergers) Oakland,CA.
Even ExSoldier told you it dates back to Solomon.
As for nmh, I'm a regular lurker on those Crevo threads, and he is one of the very few intellectually honest gentlemen on there.
He manages to maintain his faith and integrity without blind prejudice. Because of that, he's a good witness to non-believers and questioners like myself.
If all of you were like him and Alamo Girl, the Churches would be running over with believers.
I'm not really interested in doing a google search on 'Et in Arcadia Ego", I don't even know what that phrase means, but thanks for the advice anyway.
Is it asking too much for you to answer it for me? That would be a courteous thing to do.
My Bible study teacher was a 32nd degree Mason and a Shriner for some twenty years. His opinion of Masonry is vastly different from yours and pretty much on par with Ex-Soldier's. Perhaps instead of simply lashing out in rage at everyone that criticizes Masonry (and candidly, your vitriol on this thread has not been in character for you), you might consider the possibility that not all lodges are as "Christian" as yours, and that the symbolism of the initiation rites is disturbing when you delve into it.
I wonder what his "opinion" is of the Shriner's Hospitals that each year provide millions of dollars worth of free care to burned and crippled children?
Uh... what statement? lol
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