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'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'
The Telegraph ^ | 30/01/2005 | Clare Chapman

Posted on 01/29/2005 8:32:29 PM PST by ijcr

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.

Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.

"They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said.

"Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: brothel; germany; loertarianparadise; prostitution; socialism; unemployment
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To: Lazamataz
'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits' I live to receive this letter.

LOL!

81 posted on 01/29/2005 9:53:33 PM PST by KittyKares
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To: kpp_kpp

If its a "victimless crime"...which it is if prostitution is legal and monitored....why pursue it?
Morality of this nature needs to be addressed with the family, spiritual and psychological intervention.


82 posted on 01/29/2005 9:56:15 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (God's grace shines on Iraq today!!!!)
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To: sirjohn
They equate cutting unemployment benefits to coercion to take the unwanted position (no pun intended). If they had any gumption they would get off the couch and find something to do useful to society, and the compensation would follow. That's the natural order of things - not waiting for a government check.

Excellent point.

83 posted on 01/29/2005 9:59:58 PM PST by KittyKares
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Thanks (taking bow)
But I want to tax it just like my stogies get taxed. But having attended the autopsy's of several 'street ladies', I want them to be practicing their 'craft?' in safe place. Even Jesus stopped the violence towards one of them. We can do no less.
84 posted on 01/29/2005 10:03:09 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I got news for you, the Village Voice and the NY Press could not survive without ads from "escorts." I got news for you those ladies/men/shemales aren't intended to be your "companion" to the Yankee game if you catch my drift.


85 posted on 01/29/2005 10:04:27 PM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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To: claudiustg
Remember that not long ago our own IRS was running a brothel in Nevada...the Mustang Ranch.

..Sens. Chris Dodd, Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy and $hrillary Klintoon, volunteered/wanted to oversee that operation.

86 posted on 01/29/2005 10:05:28 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: ijcr
Another case of lawyers making laws to benefit lawyers. Who do you think has enough money to be able to afford a brothel in that unemployed nation?
87 posted on 01/29/2005 10:05:30 PM PST by fella
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To: fella; Lazamataz

What, you never heard of Visa?


88 posted on 01/29/2005 10:08:08 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: investigateworld

I really like your brand of spirituality !


89 posted on 01/29/2005 10:12:16 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (God's grace shines on Iraq today!!!!)
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To: Clemenza
I'm sure all those women are clean as a whistle considering condoms are only 85 % effective.

It's like STD central here. Prostitution is dangerous hygienically and it breeds all kinds of crime and create pimps and slavery.
90 posted on 01/29/2005 10:14:08 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( I'm voting Newt Gingrich in 08 ! ! !)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Legalize it, regulate it (with regular health inspections) and tax it. Let's not pretend that it will "go away."


91 posted on 01/29/2005 10:16:22 PM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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To: katnip
I wonder what the males will do when forced into homosexual prostitution?

Probably get a job!
92 posted on 01/29/2005 10:17:06 PM PST by pau1f0rd (a British citizen)
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To: ijcr

Interesting/depressing background:

Link--
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/ten-reasons.html
(scroll down to point 2)

2. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution and the sex industry promotes sex trafficking.

Legalized or decriminalized prostitution industries are one of the root causes of sex trafficking. One argument for legalizing prostitution in the Netherlands was that legalization would help end the exploitation of desperate immigrant women trafficked for prostitution. A report done for the governmental Budapest Group* stated that 80% of women in the brothels in the Netherlands are trafficked from other countries (Budapest Group, 1999: 11). As early as 1994, the International Organization of Migration (IOM) stated that in the Netherlands alone, nearly 70 per cent of trafficked women were from CEEC [Central and Eastern European Countries] (IOM, 1995: 4).

(snip)

In January, 2002, prostitution in Germany was fully established as a legitimate job after years of being legalized in so-called eros or tolerance zones. Promotion of prostitution, pimping and brothels are now legal in Germany. As early as 1993, after the first steps towards legalization had been taken, it was recognized (even by pro-prostitution advocates) that 75 per cent of the women in Germany's prostitution industry were foreigners from Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay and other countries in South America (Altink, 1993: 33). After the fall of the Berlin wall, brothel owners reported that 9 out of every 10 women in the German sex industry were from eastern Europe (Altink, 1993: 43) and other former Soviet countries.

The sheer volume of foreign women who are in the prostitution industry in Germany, by some NGO estimates now up to 85 per cent, casts further doubt on the fact that these numbers of women could have entered Germany without facilitation. As in the Netherlands, NGOs report that most of the foreign women have been trafficked into the country since it is almost impossible for poor women to facilitate their own migration, underwrite the costs of travel and travel documents, and set themselves up in business without outside help.




So it would appear that even large-scale trafficking is not enough to feed the "demand" for sex workers, as at least some German brothels are posting their job openings at the local unemployment office.

Either that, or their customers are demanding "domestic content," so to speak. If that's true, how convenient for the brothel owner that domestic must take "positions" at his place of business-he avoids all of those pesky costs involved in importing the women.

Either way, the degradation is near-complete.


93 posted on 01/29/2005 10:17:54 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: TankerKC

Absolutely correct!

That's is the root of the issue and the above story is one of the many results.


94 posted on 01/29/2005 10:50:58 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: ijcr

Germany has gone completely bonkers!


95 posted on 01/29/2005 11:04:10 PM PST by lainde
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
And why is Reno making so much money on this?

Janet Reno is making money off of German hookers?

Wow, another reason to dislike her.

;)

96 posted on 01/29/2005 11:06:59 PM PST by Michael.SF. (When true genius appears, you may know him by this - the dunces are all in confederacy against him.")
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To: Thud

This is evil.


97 posted on 01/29/2005 11:13:53 PM PST by Dark Wing
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To: ijcr
Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

That's the heart of the problem right there - government trying to decriminalize crime on the supposition that the government can be better pimps than the private sector.

And what do you bet part of Germany's unemployment crisis is because burdensome government regulations have probably chased a lot of industry elsewhere?

98 posted on 01/29/2005 11:17:54 PM PST by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Thank you for not answering my question, let's just end this conversation. I am not promoting a feminist philosphy here and have not been. My response to you is: Don't Tread On Me!




99 posted on 01/30/2005 12:12:43 AM PST by MontanaBeth (NEVER FORGET)
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To: ijcr

WTF?


100 posted on 01/30/2005 12:16:47 AM PST by Doc-Joe
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