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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

Panicked Evolutionists: The Stephen Meyer Controversy

The theory of evolution is a tottering house of ideological cards that is more about cherished mythology than honest intellectual endeavor. Evolutionists treat their cherished theory like a fragile object of veneration and worship--and so it is. Panic is a sure sign of intellectual insecurity, and evolutionists have every reason to be insecure, for their theory is falling apart.

The latest evidence of this panic comes in a controversy that followed a highly specialized article published in an even more specialized scientific journal. Stephen C. Meyer, Director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, wrote an article accepted for publication in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. The article, entitled "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories," was published after three independent judges deemed it worthy and ready for publication. The use of such judges is standard operating procedure among "peer-reviewed" academic journals, and is considered the gold standard for academic publication.

The readership for such a journal is incredibly small, and the Biological Society of Washington does not commonly come to the attention of the nation's journalists and the general public. Nevertheless, soon after Dr. Meyer's article appeared, the self-appointed protectors of Darwinism went into full apoplexy. Internet websites and scientific newsletters came alive with outrage and embarrassment, for Dr. Meyer's article suggested that evolution just might not be the best explanation for the development of life forms. The ensuing controversy was greater than might be expected if Dr. Meyer had argued that the world is flat or that hot is cold.

Eugenie C. Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, told The Scientist that Dr. Meyer's article came to her attention when members of the Biological Society of Washington contacted her office. "Many members of the society were stunned about the article," she told The Scientist, and she described the article as "recycled material quite common in the intelligent design community." Dr. Scott, a well known and ardent defender of evolutionary theory, called Dr. Meyer's article "substandard science" and argued that the article should never have been published in any scientific journal.

Within days, the Biological Society of Washington, intimidated by the response of the evolutionary defenders, released a statement apologizing for the publication of the article. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the society's governing council claimed that the article "was published without the prior knowledge of the council." The statement went on to declare: "We have met and determined that all of us would have deemed this paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings." The society's president, Roy W. McDiarmid, a scientist at the U.S. Geological Survey, blamed the article's publication on the journal's previous editor, Richard Sternberg, who now serves as a fellow at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Institute of Health. "My conclusion on this," McDiarmid said, "was that it was a really bad judgment call on the editor's part."

What is it about Dr. Stephen Meyer's paper that has caused such an uproar? Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, argued in his paper that the contemporary form of evolutionary theory now dominant in the academy, known as "Neo-Darwinism," fails to account for the development of higher life forms and the complexity of living organisms. Pointing to what evolutionists identify as the "Cambrian explosion," Meyer argued that "the geologically sudden appearance of many new animal body plans" cannot be accounted for by Darwinian theory, "neo" or otherwise.

Accepting the scientific claim that the Cambrian explosion took place "about 530 million years ago," Meyer went on to explain that the "remarkable jump in the specified complexity or 'complex specified information' [CSI] of the biological world" cannot be explained by evolutionary theory.

The heart of Dr. Meyer's argument is found in this scientifically-loaded passage: "Neo-Darwinism seeks to explain the origin of new information, form, and structure as a result of selection acting on randomly arising variation at a very low level within the biological hierarchy, mainly, within the genetic text. Yet the major morphological innovations depend on a specificity of arrangement at a much higher level of the organizational hierarchy, a level that DNA alone does not determine. Yet if DNA is not wholly responsible for body plan morphogenesis, then DNA sequences can mutate indefinitely, without regard to realistic probabilistic limits, and still not produce a new body plan. Thus, the mechanism of natural selection acting on random mutations in DNA cannot in principle generate novel body plans, including those that first arose in the Cambrian explosion."

In simpler terms, the mechanism of natural selection, central to evolutionary theory, cannot possibly account for the development of so many varied and complex life forms simply by mutations in DNA. Rather, some conscious design--thus requiring a Designer--is necessary to explain the emergence of these life forms.

In the remainder of his paper, Meyer attacks the intellectual inadequacies of evolutionary theory and argues for what is now known as the "design Hypothesis." As he argued, "Conscious and rational agents have, as a part of their powers of purposive intelligence, the capacity to design information-rich parts and to organize those parts into functional information-rich systems and hierarchies." As he went on to assert, "We know of no other causal entity or process that has this capacity." In other words, the development of the multitude of higher life forms found on the planet can be explained only by the guidance of a rational agent--a Designer--whose plan is evident in the design.

Meyer's article was enough to cause hysteria in the evolutionists' camp. Knowing that their theory lacks intellectual credibility, the evolutionists respond by raising the volume, offering the equivalent of scientific shrieks and screams whenever their cherished theory is criticized--much less in one of their own cherished journals. As Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Discovery Institute explained, "Instead of addressing the paper's argument or inviting counterarguments or rebuttal, the society has resorted to affirming what amounts to a doctrinal statement in an effort to stifle scientific debate. They're trying to stop scientific discussion before it even starts."

When the Biological Society of Washington issued its embarrassing apology for publishing the paper, the organization pledged that arguments for Intelligent Design "will not be addressed in future issues of the Proceedings," regardless of whether the paper passes peer review.

From the perspective of panicked evolutionists, the Intelligent Design movement represents a formidable adversary and a constant irritant. The defenders of Intelligent Design are undermining evolutionary theory at multiple levels, and they refuse to go away. The panicked evolutionists respond with name-calling, labeling Intelligent Design proponents as "creationists," thereby hoping to prevent any scientific debate before it starts.

Intelligent Design is not tantamount to the biblical doctrine of creation. Theologically, Intelligent Design falls far short of requiring any affirmation of the doctrine of creation as revealed in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is a useful and important intellectual tool, and a scientific movement with great promise. The real significance of Intelligent Design theory and its related movement is the success with which it undermines the materialistic and naturalistic worldview central to the theory of evolution.

For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr


TOPICS: Philosophy
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To: WildTurkey
Something every child over twelve knows, yet your religion requires you NOT know. Lucky for your the architects and engineers who built your home and every public building and conveyance know. One hundred and eighty degrees.
241 posted on 01/29/2005 11:33:42 AM PST by bvw
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To: cookcounty
Obviously, Eve. Why do evolutionists have such trouble grasping the obvious?

That would make Cain's wife Cain's sister. No wonder they skipped this in Sunday School ...

242 posted on 01/29/2005 11:33:43 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Junior
There is strong evidence that near-death experiences are caused by a chemical cascade in the dying brain.

I had the same experience and vision that reports of NDE's claim and I was not near death or drugged. I was wide awake.

243 posted on 01/29/2005 11:34:03 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: SpeakingUp
No I don't follow. I don't understand why a highly trained scientist as yourself get's so passionate at my post.

You don't follow that a lot of fanatics take the preachings of a history professor over a well-founded scientific theory as looking rediculous to the scientific community?

244 posted on 01/29/2005 11:36:10 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: BJungNan
It seems resorting to ad hominem attack and bouts of emotional frustration is a common characteristic of those that believe in evolution. That is what a study of this thread would seem to indicate. Is this your finding as well?

Not at all. Seems your very first post was an attack. Thank you.

245 posted on 01/29/2005 11:38:15 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Ichneumon
WELL FLY... a response like deserves another go around... LoL..

from some "MoM" about her groovy little Brat:
LOL.. well duh. My nine year old figured that out. LOL. She has seen my pics of micro- organisms plus the macroscopic world. With no federal funding and no advanced degrees- she figured out it would be statistically impossible no matter how many millions of years for each organism to develop from one common cellular structure. She thought that even after a gamillion years we would be lucky to have a small portion of living organisms today. Critical home- grown thinking.

246 posted on 01/29/2005 11:38:19 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: FastCoyote

Not necessarily. I would think that any tendency to make that claim arises from the frustration with Darwinists who make the opposite claim, namely that evolution precludes the possibility of a designer, which it in no way does. For every Creationist who claims that the everything was created magically without resort to a knowable process you have an equal number of Darwinists who are uncomfortable or even stridently against the concept that a Designer is involved or even needed. Some Creationists feel that evolution seems to lessen the role of a designer. I don't personally think it does. Because I use screwdrivers and hammers and glue and nails in assembling a house doesn't take away from my claim that I built the house. And if a quadriplegic, incapable of wielding those same tools, observes me using those tools to build my house, it doesn't make him any more capable of utilizing the tools and building my own house. If evolution does turn out to represent a mechanism used in achieving the diversity of species found on earth, knowing that mechanism does not bring me any closer to gaining the ability of designing and implementing such a system myself to create the same result. Knowledge doesn't always confer capability. Conversely, evolution in no way requires nor denies the existence of a designer. Those evolutionists who claim that it does are as unjustified as those creationists who claim the opposite.


247 posted on 01/29/2005 11:43:51 AM PST by PeterPhilly
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To: bvw
Something every child over twelve knows, yet your religion requires you NOT know. Lucky for your the architects and engineers who built your home and every public building and conveyance know. One hundred and eighty degrees.

As I said earlier, a little knowledge is dangerous. You obviously slept through non-Euclidean geometry. What was the most advanced math class? Algebra I?

248 posted on 01/29/2005 11:44:15 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: BJungNan
my suggestion that it may be the way your are presenting it and your attitude towards those that disagree with you.

The factions here want to be sure they bear the mark of evolutionist or creationist so they can have the safety of belonging. This fear of being separated from the "herd" so to speak is a primal one and was discussed early on in the bible... Gen 4:14-16

14Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me."

15And the LORD said to him, "Therefore,[a] whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.


249 posted on 01/29/2005 11:45:20 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: WildTurkey
Not at all. Seems your very first post was an attack. Thank you.

Certainly not intended that way.

250 posted on 01/29/2005 11:47:58 AM PST by BJungNan (National sale tax - end all this insane tax records paperwork.)
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To: PeterPhilly
I happen to agree with you that God uses whatever mechanism he wants and my own personal reading of Genesis finds nothing to contradict that.

What bothers me about the ND's is their refusal to utter the words intelligent design in the face of repeatable and observable science, namely bioengineering and it's ability to direct changes in alleles.

251 posted on 01/29/2005 11:52:36 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: WildTurkey
My post

No I don't follow. I don't understand why a highly trained scientist as yourself get's so passionate at my post.

Your response

You don't follow that a lot of fanatics take the preachings of a history professor over a well-founded scientific theory as looking rediculous to the scientific community?

Did I say that? I posted a comment to a poster and that seemed to invoke a lot of passion. Why? What does that? I made a comment supporting his choice to teach his child that ID is how we got here and the response was so passionate that it was noteworthy. Did it not? When you refer to yourself as 'we' can I safely assume you are speaking officially for many?

252 posted on 01/29/2005 11:52:45 AM PST by SpeakingUp (MSM lied, Kerry lied, and 1,800,000 Cambodians died.)
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To: Ready2go

Can you offer any rational or theological reason why someone arbitrarily designated as "near death" should have any special religious insight? Is God so stupid that He cannot distinguish between someone whose brain is temporarily malfunction, and someone who is permanently dead?

I ask this as someone who had one of thos childhood experiences under anesthesia. What is the point of attaching theological significnce to a drug experience?


253 posted on 01/29/2005 11:56:45 AM PST by js1138
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To: WildTurkey
A little knowlegde? You presume and presume again!

You can imagine whatever you might, I have no power to stop your fervid imagination.

I've studied algebra and geometry. Post graduate level. Non-linear, variational calculus, compact manifolds, balls and neighborhoods, epsilons and all that. In seventh grade my teacher, a sweet Chinese woman, btw, taught me non-euclidian geometry, I had already learned set theory and could run through proofs like a hot knife through butter -- very mechanical.

Why do you seperate algebra and geometry? That's very Pythagorean of you, I'd say. You and Ichysaurus both. DesCartes amoung others found systems to join them together, as they actually are joined in the abstract -- human pig-headedness keeps them seperate. Hooray for the Renaissance! In many ways the extreme "evolutionists" have become like that "Holy Mother Church" which nearly offed Galileo Galilea. Algebra and geometry: Symbols are symbols in whatever framework of expression they appear.

"Algebraic geometey" -- most high schoolers know -- do sine and cosine and tangent ring any bells? Sure they do -- they are part of algebraic geometry.

254 posted on 01/29/2005 12:02:27 PM PST by bvw
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To: SpeakingUp
I made a comment supporting his choice to teach his child that ID is how we got here and the response was so passionate that it was noteworthy. Did it not?

Uh, you must have missed the post where the mom you supported said her kid was smarter than the scientists ...

255 posted on 01/29/2005 12:03:53 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw
I've studied algebra and geometry. Post graduate level.

Then why did you ask me the sum of the angles in a triangle without giving me sufficient information to answer?

256 posted on 01/29/2005 12:06:12 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: PeterPhilly
Reasonable and scientific!

You say "And if a quadriplegic, incapable of wielding those same tools, observes me using those tools to build my house, it doesn't make him any more capable of utilizing the tools and building my own house." -- well if that quadriplegic was an architect or general contractor and directed a crew to build a house that quad could also honestly claim to have built the house.

257 posted on 01/29/2005 12:06:26 PM PST by bvw
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To: Calanus
Yawn. More BS hyperbole from religious ignoramuses.

Wow. How can intelligent design supporters compete with an educated scientific comeback like that? I guess we need to fold up tent and go home. No mas! No mas!

258 posted on 01/29/2005 12:06:55 PM PST by Timmy
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To: WildTurkey
Why on earth were you unable to answer? Every one who is not a moron by choice or by circumstance knows the answer!

In your case you are most definedly neither, so why were you unable to answer a question that has a answer known to all as a SIMPLE FACT?

259 posted on 01/29/2005 12:09:17 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
Why do you seperate algebra and geometry?

For the same reason we separate algebra and calculus.

260 posted on 01/29/2005 12:13:08 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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