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To: Protagoras

The point I was trying to make is that while you attribute your actions to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, others may do the exact same things and be able to do so independent of any religious context. You may believe differently...why can't they? You may not agree, but it doesn't make it illogical, necessarily, to believe you can do good without believing in God. It doesn't make sense to you, because you live your life with the Bible and faith in God as your guide. If something like that frames your interactions with others and the world, anything else can seem irrational by comparison. (As a side note, and not to accuse you of doing such...that kind of thing is also what can make it difficult for others to "put themselves in someone else's shoes". It's very hard to accomplish when you have a very different frame of reference.)

To answer your other question...yes, I do try to do the right thing, and yes, I too, fall short more often than I would like. I am a sinner, expected to sin, and so that is no surprise. I do try not to repeat my mistakes, so I hope that counts for something. I also believe that God made me so that I would find certain things to be innately wrong, and compel me to act accordingly. I also believe that God gave us free will, and included in that is the ability to reject Him. They may pay for it in the end, but I can accept and even understand why they cannot accept His existence. They don't call it faith for nothing:)


180 posted on 01/26/2005 11:27:05 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: exnavychick
You may not agree, but it doesn't make it illogical, necessarily, to believe you can do good without believing in God.

Which is why I never said that. I could have sworn I already pointed that out once. It's hard enough to explain what I actually say, really hard to explain what I didn't say.

To answer your other question...yes, I do try to do the right thing, and yes, I too, fall short more often than I would like. I am a sinner, expected to sin, and so that is no surprise. I do try not to repeat my mistakes, so I hope that counts for something. I also believe that God made me so that I would find certain things to be innately wrong, and compel me to act accordingly. I also believe that God gave us free will, and included in that is the ability to reject Him. They may pay for it in the end, but I can accept and even understand why they cannot accept His existence. They don't call it faith for nothing:)

I agree with the above.

My questions have nothing to do with doing right or wrong, merely how someone who didn't believe in God would be able to articulate intellectually why they think there is. I have no one so far.

198 posted on 01/26/2005 11:37:36 AM PST by Protagoras (No one is fit to be a master and no one deserves to be a slave. GWB 1-20-05)
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