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To: discostu
changing of one species

But again, once again, let's say that I grant you this - fact - however you understand it, or define it, or work with it, etc. I wondered if there was some theory you might also be working through to help explain this odd fact?

you want it in one simple sentence

Make it a long sentence. Make it two. Make it three. When describing basic particle physics, you can cut to the gist quickly. But perhaps not in one, single sentence. But you don't have to write a full chapter, either, to explain the basic definitions. If you have theory for your fact, I suspect it's not nearly as complicated as particle physics. Surely you can say what you mean, succinctly, and knowing that no reasonable person would confuse such a statement with the detailed sum of knowledge of the field. Put the herring back in the can and answer the question.

The meat of the matter isn't in the creed

That's precisely what the Creed is. That's the point. That's the basis, the norm, the standard, the very minimum which one must entirely confess in each point or else consider oneself on the outside looking in. As for what the words and phrases mean - yes, there is further explanation. Since it is not merely religion, but Revelation, the explanation is voluminous and reflects some of the most intense personal moments in people's lives through the ages.

Christianity is

But you know what Christianity is. It's been explained, succinctly, definitively - in the four principal Creeds of The Church. That's the point. You're not getting this.

an advantage

Not true. It could be a disadvantage that proves ultimately irrelevant to this vague operation of evolutionist forces. Until you can say what causes - evolution - you can't say much else about it. What do you think causes it, specifically? Lay it out, as one who understands. Those who understand, in any field, can explain it cleanly, and succinctly, as you might well know yourself.

constant deific intervention, which doesn't match how anything else works.

But how do you test that? You say God does not intervene, even every hour, not even every indivisible unit of time, continually that is. But how do you know that? Has science put God to the test? And if so, is that science?

164 posted on 01/20/2005 3:25:09 PM PST by sevry
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To: sevry

What odd fact? That species change? Look at the fossil record, there's stuff in there that doesn't anymore, and the stuff that does exist isn't found very deep in the fossil record. Something has changed, this is a known fact, evolutionary theory is an attempt to explain the mechanics of that change.

Sorry but a proper explantion of evolutionary theory takes hundreds maybe even thousands of pages, I don't have that kind of time and JimRob probably wouldn't dig on me taking up all that space. My personal explanation of evolution is actually rather shallow, I'm neither a paleontologist nor geneticist. I simply understand that things change, through some mechanism I'll probably never have a complete enough education to understand, but they do change, new species are formed, old species go away. Kind of like weather, another science I'll never have the education to fully understand but I know enough about it to know that just because it's cloudy today doesn't mean it's never going to be sunny nor does it mean it was always cloudy, in fact because weather is fact I know for a fact it wasn't always cloudy because it the skies were clear this morning, this helps me understand that the clouds will go away. The herring has never been out of the can and I HAVE answered your question, multiple times and in multiple phrasings of both your question and my answer. But since my answer will never be to lie and say there is no evolution you will never accept that answer. Open your mind to possibilities, the possibilities are where the true glory of God exists, painting are more beautiful when you understand the medium and how the artist used it to create his work, so is this world God has given us.

No Creed isn't the meat. The Creed is the shorthand version of the meat, that opens the door of thought and understanding.

I know what Christianity is because I've read the Bible, and I've studied the history of western religion, I've learned how Christianity evolved from Judaism and from itself. I know what Christianity is because I've delved past the shorthand of the Creed to study the MEAT. And one of the things I've learned is that the Creed does no justice to the meat, it's the difference between a picture of fillet mignon and a well prepared and supported with proper side dishes ACTUAL fillet.

It could turn into a disadvantage, but the purpose of the change is seeking advantage.

That's the hard part with things like evolution and astronomy. We don't have the tools necessary to perform "tests" in the standard sense of the word. We can't cause evolution to happen, we can't make planets and suns, we can't make faultlines, we can't make weather. When science branched out beyond things we had the physical capabilities to nudge we stopped being able to do tests, instead we do more observation, examine what we observe and see if it fit the model. It's like a test, only more random and requiring more patience by all involved. Science hasn't put God to the test, though I'm sure there's more than a few scientist that would do anything for a sit down and a few complete answers, science just tries to figure out what He did, studying the mechanical aspects of the wonders of His creation, learning the brush technique of the greatest Master.


174 posted on 01/20/2005 4:02:21 PM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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