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To: sevry

What odd fact? That species change? Look at the fossil record, there's stuff in there that doesn't anymore, and the stuff that does exist isn't found very deep in the fossil record. Something has changed, this is a known fact, evolutionary theory is an attempt to explain the mechanics of that change.

Sorry but a proper explantion of evolutionary theory takes hundreds maybe even thousands of pages, I don't have that kind of time and JimRob probably wouldn't dig on me taking up all that space. My personal explanation of evolution is actually rather shallow, I'm neither a paleontologist nor geneticist. I simply understand that things change, through some mechanism I'll probably never have a complete enough education to understand, but they do change, new species are formed, old species go away. Kind of like weather, another science I'll never have the education to fully understand but I know enough about it to know that just because it's cloudy today doesn't mean it's never going to be sunny nor does it mean it was always cloudy, in fact because weather is fact I know for a fact it wasn't always cloudy because it the skies were clear this morning, this helps me understand that the clouds will go away. The herring has never been out of the can and I HAVE answered your question, multiple times and in multiple phrasings of both your question and my answer. But since my answer will never be to lie and say there is no evolution you will never accept that answer. Open your mind to possibilities, the possibilities are where the true glory of God exists, painting are more beautiful when you understand the medium and how the artist used it to create his work, so is this world God has given us.

No Creed isn't the meat. The Creed is the shorthand version of the meat, that opens the door of thought and understanding.

I know what Christianity is because I've read the Bible, and I've studied the history of western religion, I've learned how Christianity evolved from Judaism and from itself. I know what Christianity is because I've delved past the shorthand of the Creed to study the MEAT. And one of the things I've learned is that the Creed does no justice to the meat, it's the difference between a picture of fillet mignon and a well prepared and supported with proper side dishes ACTUAL fillet.

It could turn into a disadvantage, but the purpose of the change is seeking advantage.

That's the hard part with things like evolution and astronomy. We don't have the tools necessary to perform "tests" in the standard sense of the word. We can't cause evolution to happen, we can't make planets and suns, we can't make faultlines, we can't make weather. When science branched out beyond things we had the physical capabilities to nudge we stopped being able to do tests, instead we do more observation, examine what we observe and see if it fit the model. It's like a test, only more random and requiring more patience by all involved. Science hasn't put God to the test, though I'm sure there's more than a few scientist that would do anything for a sit down and a few complete answers, science just tries to figure out what He did, studying the mechanical aspects of the wonders of His creation, learning the brush technique of the greatest Master.


174 posted on 01/20/2005 4:02:21 PM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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To: discostu
evolutionary theory is an attempt to explain

You certainly seem to believe that. But why? You don't really know what the 'fact' is, I going to guess. You don't seem to have any real sense of what any theories might be, in any detail. But yet you feel compelled to believe. It's obviously for reasons other than science.

explantion of evolutionary theory takes hundreds

That's the point - it simply doesn't. That's why I mentioned particle physics. Simple formulas. Simple concepts. Basic tenets, if you will. There's much more to it. But it can be succinctly stated. Why is that? Because it's science. You want to tell me what evolution is, again?

the true glory of God exists, painting are more beautiful when you understand the medium and how the artist used it to create his work, so is this world God has given us.

You're describing perpetual adoration. You're describing heaven, to a degree. Free to be the best in adoration. Free to be more competent and more skilled and imaginative than Bach and Kepler and Aquinas all thrown together at their peak. And by observing the world, we see the hand of God.

The Creed is the shorthand version

We believe in One God. There's a lot that went into that, with regard to the Trinity, Persons, etc. But it's not shorthand. It means what it says. It is to the point. But volumes have been written on just that one point. It's both.

the Creed does no justice to

If you believe the four principal Creeds of The Church are in any way unjust then you don't really confess those Creeds, and are outside The Church, and proudly so. Many are. What line, what phrase, what word, is insufficient, in your opinion?

we can't make planets and suns

But one can predict this or that based on observation, reason and experiment in support of that. One develops theories to explain what the Hubble and others see. One does not say that a Quasar is an irreducible force of nature. One attempts to describe what a Quasar is, and then what it does, and why, and where it came from, and what might produce another, and so on. One notes much of this in the language of trig and calculus, in a language of symbols with rules for manipulation if not always verifying the semantics. And one looks to see if the predictions are supported by subsequent observations from the distant voice of the past.

Since evolutionism is so difficult to define and quantify, at least you might say it has no place in a science curriculum, and is at the very least, after 150 years still a remarkably immature science, if that's even the word.

178 posted on 01/20/2005 4:23:20 PM PST by sevry
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