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Wonder why they didn't recognize it as a patch in 1988.


3 posted on 01/19/2005 11:48:39 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

> Wonder why they didn't recognize it as a patch in 1988.


Probably because the Shroud-fans didn't need the excuse yet.


6 posted on 01/19/2005 11:51:01 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: Izzy Dunne
Wonder why they didn't recognize it as a patch in 1988.

Perhaps they though that an older result would have been obtained.

Why not do radiocarbon dating on the part now claimed to be "old"?

18 posted on 01/19/2005 12:02:33 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I totally agree... you would think the colors of the patch would have tipped them off...



30 posted on 01/19/2005 12:10:55 PM PST by StoneGiant
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To: Izzy Dunne
Wonder why they didn't recognize it as a patch in 1988.

First they claimed there was pollen contamination. When that didn't pan out, they claimed there was smoke contamination. Now it's the invisible weaving patch. (It may be a patch though. One would have thought that this would have been noticed earlier.)

31 posted on 01/19/2005 12:11:31 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Because they still had grant money.

As usual, they will need more grant money to overcome this controversy. Of course, there's a scenario that the main piece is actually older and the "forger seamstress" got ahold of something older to make the patch.

And define "older". Ten years, one hundred years? No matter how you "cut it", the goal is GRANT MONEY. No one really wants a solution.

32 posted on 01/19/2005 12:13:04 PM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Izzy Dunne
It seems as if some restorationwas done around 2000 to 2002 too.
38 posted on 01/19/2005 12:18:56 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Wonder why they didn't recognize it as a patch in 1988

"expertly rewoven" and they were not expecting a patch.

52 posted on 01/19/2005 12:30:50 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Studies on the radiocarbon sample from the shroud of turin

The Shroud of Turin is a large piece of linen that shows the faint image of a man on its surface. Many people believe it is the burial cloth of Jesus, making it extremely controversial. Radiocarbon ages were determined in 1988 [1], which should have settled controversies as to the age of the linen. The 1988 radiocarbon age determinations were the best that could have been obtained. Sample preparation methods were compared and confirmed, and the measurements were made with the best available instruments. Damon et al. reported [1] that “The age of the shroud is obtained as A.D. 1260–1390, with at least 95% confidence.” However, that date does not agree with observations on the linen-production technology nor the chemistry of fibers obtained directly from the main part of the cloth in 1978 [2] and [3]. The 1988 sampling operation was described in [1]: “The shroud was separated from the backing cloth along its bottom left-hand edge and a strip (not, vert, similar10 mm × 70 mm) was cut from just above the place where a sample was previously removed in 1973 for examination. The strip came from a single site on the main body of the shroud away from any patches or charred areas.” Franco Testore, professor of textile technology at the Turin Polytechnic, and Gabriel Vial, curator of the Ancient Textile Museum, Lyon, France, approved the location of the radiocarbon sample.

55 posted on 01/19/2005 12:31:20 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Izzy Dunne
Wonder why they didn't recognize it as a patch in 1988.

Reweaving is a lost art. Nobody has time for that anymore although 200 years ago it was common.

62 posted on 01/19/2005 12:37:10 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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Wonder why they didn't recognize it as a patch in 1988.

It is an excellent repair job. The repair was done using a French technique of invisible reweaving. However, the sample was taken from the one area ALL the scientists agreed should not be sampled because of known repairs in that area. The agreed protocol was literally changed at the last hour.

176 posted on 01/21/2005 11:58:22 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

It wasn't a patch. It was rewoven. I have a friend who does reweaving. It's impossible to tell from looking at it has been repaired. I'm guessing that the nuns of the 11th or 12th century were really really good at doing this.


184 posted on 01/22/2005 5:22:48 AM PST by Mercat (Forgiveness is part of Your plan.)
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