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"As far as Jefferson could see, the only way in which a state could both remain in the Union and retain its liberties in the face of an unconstitutional act on the part of the federal government was for the state to declare that by virtue of its being unconstitutional, the federal action was null and void and would not be enforced within the borders of that state."

"Contrary to the contentions of Straussians, neoconservatives, and left-liberals alike, nullification was not simply a doctrine that Jefferson and Madison contrived out of nowhere as an ad hoc response to the threat to civil liberties posed by the Alien and Sedition Acts.
To the contrary, the line of thought that culminated in the Resolutions of 1798 can be traced all the way back to the Virginia ratifying convention, where its central principles were laid out by prominent Virginia Federalists."

1 posted on 01/12/2005 7:08:25 PM PST by jonestown
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To: jonestown

Liberals think a Judicial Oligarchy is federalism.


2 posted on 01/12/2005 7:11:16 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: jonestown
As the Federalist Papers say, the people will cling to the sovereignty that best protects their liberty on the issue in question. Sometimes it is their State, and sometimes it is the Federal government. This is a wonderful tool to balance two dual-sovereignties so that neither is able to become a slavemaster.

Where you run into trouble is where the considerations for one's neighbor's liberty are not held as highly as your own.
4 posted on 01/12/2005 7:18:12 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: jonestown

1. If nullification is a valid doctrine, then the Supremacy Clause is meaningless.

2. If nullification were widely practiced, we would end up with a situation where the federal government proposed laws, and the states decided at their leisure which to enforce and which to ignore. This would rapidly become an inconsistent mess, a la the Articles of Confederation.

3. Jefferson seems to have forgotten about strict constructionism when the opportunity presented itself to purchase Louisiana. Where does the specifically enumerated Presidential power to acquire land appear in Article II?


6 posted on 01/12/2005 7:19:43 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: farmfriend


7 posted on 01/12/2005 7:21:28 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: jonestown
I just read this over, very hastily. I will revisit it tomorrow.

Thank you for posting it. It is a very solid essay, that appears to be right on the mark. If it was not getting late, I would say more. This needs a wide circulation.

I will be back, tomorrow. Again, my hearty thanks.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

8 posted on 01/12/2005 7:22:22 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: jonestown

"Patrick Henry expressed his fear that the "necessary and proper" clause of the Constitution (which said that the federal government would have all powers "necessary and proper" to carry into effect the powers granted in Article I, Section 8) would inevitably be interpreted by the federal government as a boundless grant of power, transforming the limited government that supporters of the Constitution promised into an unlimited government that would menace the people's liberties. He was likewise concerned about the "general welfare" clause, since government could justify practically any action it might take by some strained reference to the general welfare."

It was almost as if Patrick Henry saw our present day government. The "general welfare" clause, the "necessary and proper clause", and the "interstate commerce" clause have all been abused beyond all comprehension.

I keep saying that our founders were men far ahead of their time.


10 posted on 01/12/2005 7:30:14 PM PST by MissouriConservative ( Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more; you should never wish to do less. - Robert E. Lee)
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bump for later


11 posted on 01/12/2005 7:36:13 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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To: jonestown
Unfortunately the term "states' rights" acquired negative connotations when it became the rallying cry of segregationists in the 1950s.
12 posted on 01/12/2005 7:39:22 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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To: jonestown; Carry_Okie; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; knews_hound; ...


27 posted on 01/13/2005 12:00:04 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulation. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: jonestown

just had to quickly comment on this line from the original article:
"Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 [...] which authorized the president to deport resident aliens who had "treasonable" leanings, was a source of concern to Jefferson and other Republicans..."

Boy, the modern equivalent of this act certainly doesn't seem to be much of a problem for our MODERN "Republicans", does it? Don't portions of the Patriot Act seem kinda familiar?


33 posted on 01/13/2005 10:45:53 AM PST by neoconjob ("...deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: jonestown

Bump for later


34 posted on 01/13/2005 10:47:15 AM PST by WhiteGuy (The Constitution requires no interpretation, only enforcement.)
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To: jonestown
The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, passed during the Quasi War with France, alarmed Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and the Republican Party in general.

Um, wasn't the Republican Party founded in 1850?

38 posted on 01/13/2005 11:35:34 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: jonestown

Thanks for the ping and posting the article. As a staunch Federalist I find that it's amazing how few truly understand a concept which is at the core of what has defined America, and around which so many of our struggles in the past (Civil War and Civil Rights movement just to name the biggies) revolve.

Jefferson's side of the argument is not nearly as widely read and studied in schools as The Federalist Papers (Which deserve full consideration as well).

Jefferson was not as adept at using the media of his day (Newspapers) as was his adversaries. Although I fall on the other side of the fence, I still feel that Jefferson's views deserved to have been given the full attention they deserved instead of the demonization treatment they got.


43 posted on 01/13/2005 2:33:22 PM PST by contemplator
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52 posted on 01/13/2005 6:18:03 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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