This "kinship" was also costly to conservative principles.
Posted on 01/11/2005 10:24:20 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
What a nice way to thank all those Conservatives who supported your film Mel.
This has already been discussed on two threads. Also, not every conservative is for the war in Iraq.
This "kinship" was also costly to conservative principles.
'This has already been discussed on two threads. Also, not every conservative is for the war in Iraq".
Exactly. There are many types of "conservative"- fiscal, foreign policy, social etc. What does supporting Iraq have to do with The Passion of the Christ?
"However, what the hell are we doing in Iraq? No one can explain to me in a reasonable manner that I can accept why we're there, why we went there, and why we're still there."
Buh-bye, Mel. You and your movie crap are off my watch list.
"No one can explain to me in a reasonable manner that I can accept why we're there, why we went there, and why we're still there."
You must not be willing to understand then, Mel. Might as well move on to things you can accept, like rising from the dead.
Please. I dont agree with Mel's opinion about the war but he is far from being the enemy here. He has an opinion, he voiced it because he was asked. I would prefer him to not give Moore the ammunition but if I had to have everyone agree with me, I would be a lonely person.
It was always about the bottom line and if you had any doubt you must have realized when he was selling souvenir nails that something was amiss.
"What does supporting Iraq have to do with The Passion of the Christ?"
What bothers some people, and rightly so IMO, is not Gibson's opposition to the Iraq war, per se, but his cozying up to Moore, a repugnant, vitriolic creep who has created a Nazi-like piece of agitprop. There are people on the left who oppose the war and yet identify Moore for what he is...a disreputable propagandist. Also, Gibson said he "liked" Moore's movie; this goes way beyond merely being civil, or diplomatic. What does this have to do with The Passion?.....nothing, but it certainly does not flatter Gibson, in my view.
By making such an inane comment, he's shown me that he "doesn't get it", which puts him squarely in the enemy's camp. There is other entertainment out there, exclusive of Gibson. He's off my list.
Ugh - goatees. When I see a girlie man with a goatee, it makes me want to get out the razor and take the whole chin off.
If Mel's words are used JUST ONCE to bolster the morale of the enemy over there and one more soldier gets killed because of it, I would hold him responsible. We are at war...we must use some better judgement on the words we use while getting the same message across. Anybody who ever thought tha Gibson was about anything but money needs to come back to Planet Earth (Sure did like "Signs" though)
As opposed to a reputable propagandist?
Bush's HHS created and distributed bogus news reports for broadcast in order to sway public opinion in favor of his Medicare legislation.
Conclusion
Although the VNR materials were labeled so that the television news stations could identify CMS as the source of the materials, part of the VNR materials--the story packages and lead-in anchor scripts--were targeted not only to the television news stations but also to the television viewing audience. Neither the story packages nor scripts identified HHS or CMS as the source to the targeted television audience, and the content of the news reports was attributed to individuals purporting to be reporters, but actually (were actors) hired by an HHS subcontractor. For these reasons, the use of appropriated funds for production and distribution of the story packages and suggested scripts violated the publicity or propaganda prohibition of the Consolidated Appropriation Resolution of 2003, Pub. L. No. 108-7, Div. J, Tit. VI, § 626, 117 Stat. 11, 470 (2003). Moreover, because CMS had no appropriation available to produce and distribute materials in violation of the publicity or propaganda prohibition, CMS violated the Antideficiency Act, 31 U.S.C. § 1341. CMS must report the Antideficiency Act violation to the Congress and the President. 31 U.S.C. § 1351.
Anthony H. Gamboa
General Counsel
Bull. You know Mel's intentions as much as you know mine. Don't be so presumptuous. (and Signs was fantastic)
"As opposed to a reputable propagandist?"
Well....yes. I won't accept the idea that propaganda is universally bad. Why can't one be a reputable propagandist; in my opinion, WWII propaganda against the Nazis and the Japanese was justified.
Also, I don't like your assumption that I've condoned the matter of Bush's dept. of Health and Human Services and that I am therefore somehow hypocritical. I never even brought Bush into the matter nor have I defended or criticized anything involving Bush. This is deflection and it does nothing to diminish Moore's trail of slime.
True. But, I wasn't talking about WWII propaganda used against an enemy in a declared war. I was talking about a supposedly conservative President who foists propaganda off on an unsuspecting public in order to garner favor for legislation that will greatly enlarge the welfare state. There is a difference, no?
Also, I don't like your assumption that I've condoned the matter of Bush's dept. of Health and Human Services and that I am therefore somehow hypocritical. I never even brought Bush into the matter nor have I defended or criticized anything involving Bush. This is deflection and it does nothing to diminish Moore's trail of slime.
I assumed nothing of the sort. I only sought to point out that the left does not hold a monopoly on the use of propaganda and brought up Bush's HHS Medicare propaganda as an example of this point.
I have no doubt that until I brought this to your attention, you, like most FReepers, were unaware that Bush did this just as you were probably unaware that Bush has signed a Totalization Agreement with Mexico that will allow millions of former and current Mexican illegal aliens to apply for and receive US Social Security benefits for themselves, their wives and their children even if their wives and children have never stepped foot into the US.
Mel's a Paleocon. 'Nuff said.
Im sure Mel voted for Bush so let's not stop likeing him for this now im going to watch The Road Warrior.
Mel Gibson is absolutely right about Iraq.
As an antiwar, anti-Bush voter who was deeply moved by the The Passion Of Christ, I say, "Way to go, Mel!"
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