Posted on 12/29/2004 1:52:58 PM PST by anotherview
Last Update: 29/12/2004 23:05
Abbas: There will be no peace until Israel tears down separation fence
By Reuters
Taking his campaign to succeed Yasser Arafat to the foot of the West Bank separation fence, PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas said on Wednesday there would be no peace until Israel tore it down.
"No (Middle East) peace can transpire with (Jewish) settlements and the wall," Abbas said with his back to the separation fence around Qalqilyah near the West Bank's boundary with Israel.
"We tell our neighbors: 'No matter how many settlements, walls or obstacles you build, it will not bring you security or peace," Abbas said.
The hearty welcome given Abbas at his first campaign rally in Jericho on Tuesday carried over on Wednesday to Qalqilyah and Tul Karm. Crowds repeatedly interrupted his speeches with cheers and people of all ages ran excitedly after his convoy.
Heavy security was draped around Abbas because of feared threats from militants opposed to peacemaking. However, local members of the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed group in the mainstream Fatah faction that nominated Abbas for president, greeted Abbas and said they would vote for him.
Abu Salem, commander of the Brigades in Tul Karm, said gunmen would be receptive to Abbas's call for an end to armed violence, which has abated in most areas since Arafat died in November.
Abbas repeated his campaign theme that he would follow in Arafat's footsteps by vowing to seek a state in all of the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital and the "right of return" of refugees to what is now Israel.
Once we bring the concept of fairness, and reciprocation out in the open, and pushed the empty headed Americans to demanded (because they should not accept being the bitch in any relationship), then we will have the public demanding action from our government, and the world will have been exposed to the discussion of fairness. It would be very difficult for other countries, or even our Muslim citizens to reject the concept of FAIRNESS. Citizens, and other nations who reject fairness would be committing public relation suicide. It would like a head of state coming on TV and saying I am for raping children! How much sympathy can one get with his opposition to fairness/equality/reciprocation/mutual respect?
after-thought...tell me, who shall enforce our demand for fairness? The UN? (choke.)
Abbas can go pound sand...as far as I'm concerned, a wall doesn't go far enough. Israel needs to take a page from West Germany and go full-blown DMZ, barbed wire, etc., the whole nine yards. They need to exert complete control over all border crossings into the country, and if some pointy-headed nimrod fires a rocket across the border the Israelis need to implement a two-minute response capability along the entire border. Then there can be peace.
Best case scenario: Abbas gets assassinated by Hamas/Islamic Jihad and the other terrorist scum, they take over, Israel has an excuse (not that it doesn't already) to turn the "Palestinian state" into a parking lot.
That can be stopped if our media, and churches will talk about this one subject 24X7 until all of us become upset not to be the BITCH to anybody.
I have my doubts about what you wrote about the Jewish State, don't they have around a million arab/israeli citizens and two members of the Kneset are arabs...I seem to recall that Herzl, who was instrumental in the drafting of the Israeli constitution, wrote that document along 'socialist' principles...shoot me if I'm wrong, more research required.
The argument about 'zionism' stems from the original rejection of a pure Jewish-only State...I think...but what a great idea that might have been. During correspondence with Jewish friends, the subject has often come up how much Arab votes count to certain political parties in Israel. The Left never knew a terrorist it didn't love...?
IMO the only way we can protect our Christian heritage in the West is to call islam what it is - it's not a religion, it's a CULT...and its roots are in Saudi Arabia, the original home of the parasitic, nomadic barbarians that gave it birth.
Perhaps if I, as a Jew, called Christianity a cult you would be offended. If so I believe it would be with good reason. Islam is a religion that has over one billion adherents. It is not monolithic any more than Christianity or Judaism are and different Islamic sects have some very different beliefs. Many, many Muslims find terrorism/violence as abhorrent as you or I do. I don't think it's fair or accurate to call one of the world's major religions a cult.
don't they have around a million arab/israeli citizens
We have about 1.3 million Israeli Arab citizens, the overwhelming majority of which are Muslims. Most live in peace with us. Many volunteer to serve in the IDF. There was a recent thread about Beduin IDF soldiers who were killed and they were viewed as heroes every bit as much as any other soldiers who die defending Israel. Beduins IDF soldiers are our best trackers.
two members of the Kneset are arabs
Actually Arab parties currently hold eight seats in the Knesset. There are actually some additional Knesset members , perhaps two or three, who are also Arabs but are members of our mainstream Zionist parties. Prime Minister Sharon had an Arab MK from Labor in his first cabinet.
who was instrumental in the drafting of the Israeli constitution
Israel does NOT have a formal constitution at all. Therefore nobody could have drafted one. We do have what is called the Basic Law, but that can be changed by a simple majority vote in the Knesset and often is. In making decisions our courts often site the American Consititution, BTW.
shoot me if I'm wrong,
I'd rather not since you seem very willing to research and learn more and seem to be a friend of Israel. :)
the original rejection of a pure Jewish-only State...I think...but what a great idea that might have been.
I don't think that would have been a good idea. That would have meant expelling our Muslim, Christian, Bahai, etc... citizens, many of whom are our neighbors and friends.
the subject has often come up how much Arab votes count to certain political parties in Israel.
One Arab vote counts exactly as much as one Jewish vote. There are just a whole lot more Jews than Arabs. Candidates from Labor and Likud have campaigned in Arab and mixed communities in every recent election. Some even campaigned in Arabic when addressing the Arab community. Arabic is one of our two official languages.
IMO the only way we can protect our Christian heritage in the West is to call islam what it is - it's not a religion,
I don't think that sort of misstatement is at all necessary, nor do I believe all forms of Islam are antithetical to Christianity. Certainly radical Islam is antithetical to anyone who isn't Muslim and I believe it is those people whom we must reserve our ire for.
and its roots are in Saudi Arabia
All Semetic peoples' roots are on the Arabian peninsula if you go back far enough. Abraham came from Ur in what is now Iraq but his ancestors came from Arabia.
the original home of the parasitic, nomadic barbarians that gave it birth.
I believe you write in Arabic numerals. Perhaps you should abandon them and go back to Roman numerals. Would you also like to throw out the mathematics that came from the Arab world? How about some of their very fine cuisine that is the basis of Israeli cuisine? Their literature?
The Arab world has contributed a whole lot to science, philosophy, mathematics, literature, etc... over the century. I suspect your objections aren't to Arabs. They are to the fanatical Wahabi Islam practiced by the Saudis and to their government. If so I share your objections.
OK, I have an additional idea. Israel, is a democracy, and its policy is to award the Israeli citizenship to any "JEW" who wants to reside in it, on demand.
What does the word Jew mean? Most people don't realize the are two meanings. First, it can mean a member of the Jewish religion. Second, it is short for Judean, meaning someone from Judea, in what is now Israel. Historically it meant both a nationality and a religion.
Jews are from Israel in the way Frenchmen are from France or an Irishman is from Ireland. Yes, we have a Law of Return that allows Jews to claim Israeli citizenship. Ireland has a law that allows anyone who can prove Irish ancestry (within limits: great granparents, I think) to live in Ireland and gain Irish citizenship. Why is Israeli law any more onerous that Irish law?
If you are a Christian, or a Muslim, you are not going to be accepted, by law!
Not so. Palestinian Arabs for many years were allowed to return if doing so would reunite families. There are certainly conditions under which Christians can immigrate to Israel. I saw an article recently that showed that while our Christian population is small roughly 23,000 Christians are recent immigrants. The difference is that Christians who are not from Israel do not automatically qualify for citizenship nor are given any particlularly favorable treatment. How is this different from any other country's immigration laws? Germany and Australia, for example, restrict Jewish immigration and nobody is condemning or criticizing them.
Now the same ACLU of this country will never argue that this Israeli policy is discriminatory.
Considering they are the *American* Civil Liberties Union and concern themselves with American, not Israeli, law that would seem to be a given.
Now why is it possible for a Jewish state to work hard to protect its identity from the infiltration of Muslims
Or a European state, for that matter? The Netherlands are seriously considering such a change to immigration law. Nothing wrong with it.
and ALSO it is alright for a Muslim states as Saudi Arabia to protect its identity as a pure Muslim country
I agree, it is perfectly fine. It's their country.
IT IS NOT ALRIGHT FOR THE USA, AND THE REST OF THE WEST TO PROTECT THEIR "CHRISTIAN" HERITAGE AGAINST THE IFILTRATION OF MUSLIMS?
I think it's perfectly OK. Anti-discrimination laws apply to the citizens of a given country. American laws do not apply to Israelis nor to anyone else outside the U.S. If Islam is seen as a threat then it should be OK to exclude Muslims.
I, personally, don't think America's Muslim minority is a threat. The problem with new potential immigrants is sorting out the ones who truly want to come to the U.S. legally to enjoy the freedom and opportunity the country offers and can contribute to American society in a positive way and those who are coming for nefarious purposes. I don't know how to do that and until a foolproof method is de vised discriminating against Muslims in immigration policy during a war against radical Islam makes perfect sense.
Was it discrimination to exclude Japanese or Germans from immigrating to the U.S. during WWII?
Israel's Experience in Ancient Egypt:
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html
Read The Hyksos.
Thanks for the time and effort you have taken to provide the information in connection with Israel. My objections are to any fundamental interpretation of the mohammadan creed. The 'prophet' lived 1400 years ago and every 'revelation' he 'received' was a self-serving edict, yet every muslim is required to emulate the actions of the vile creature they call 'divine and sinless'.
If you click Fred Nerks on my tagline, you will be able to link to a pdf download on My Page to a biography of the 'prophet' writted in 1913. The book provides ample sources from both ancient arabic and Greek.
I happen to believe that no one can understand what islam really is, unless they know the truth about the life of the man the arabs maintain gave birth to their 'religion'.
Yes. Do you feel better?
The Angel of Grammar has departed in peace.
You're cute when you're mad.
Qurei: Fight Has Begun for Jerusalem
PA to intensify activity relating to Jerusalem
IMRA | 8-28-05
Posted on 08/29/2005 2:40:52 PM PDT by SJackson
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