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She's more optimistic than I. If the success of Private Ryan, The Patriot, The Passion, and the Incredibles haven't flipped the liberals yet, I think they are a lost cause.
1 posted on 12/28/2004 3:52:04 PM PST by pissant
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A tsunami of conservatism...

I think given this horrible disaster, one of the worst in human history, that her choice of metaphor is not the best.

2 posted on 12/28/2004 3:54:24 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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Most great movies can't be reduced to 'liberal' or 'conservative' labels. 'The Incredibles' appeared on lots of 'Best of Year' lists of lots of liberal critics.


3 posted on 12/28/2004 3:55:29 PM PST by Borges
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Disney — yes, Disney — is a co-sponsor at CPAC this year.


9 posted on 12/28/2004 4:07:14 PM PST by Nick Danger (Want some wood?)
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ping


12 posted on 12/28/2004 4:12:06 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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Hollywood is more politics than art or business.


14 posted on 12/28/2004 4:20:24 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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In the late '70s and '80s, the Christian right began to create its own huge counterculture: singers and songwriters...[and other artists]

This may have been a mistake. The only people who are influenced by the Christian counterculture, are those who are already persuaded Christians. Also, being isolated from the larger competitive environment seems to have allowed a distinct *lack of quality* to persist in the Christian music industry for many years, though this has at last begun to change.

On the other hand, perhaps in the beginning, the Christians could not get their foot in the door no matter how good they were, and had no choice but to create a parallel system until they got big enough (and good enough) to start crossing over. Maybe an industry insider on this board can answer this question?

16 posted on 12/28/2004 4:26:18 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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Hollywood is part of the larger picture of the undermining of the Constitutional Republic in their assistance to the National Socialist Democrats, The Homosexual Movement and Mainstream Media to massage us into the feminzation of the American Male and assist us down the path toward Socialism!

The election of 2000 and the Election of George W. Bush smashed their schedule, threw them all into a tizzy!! They were on a roll, remember?!! Then 9/11 happened and exposed their treachery! I've always believed that things happen for a reason. 9/11 happened for a reason also. Those people did not die in vain! They opened our eyes to what was really going on in this country and the unholy path we were being led down by the Socialist and their supporters.

We cannot turn our backs now, we have seen what is going on and we have reelected a President that, for the most part has done an EXCELLENT job. I'm sure that we all have our points of difference with his policies, but we did not elect a TRAITOR!!

It's time now to step up and take back our schools and reverse the Socialist, Homosexual and MSM movement. I sure it's already been suggested to boycott the companies that advertise on the MSM, but I think that it must be done and we must skip over the MSM channels and do them in. They will not report on the War in Iraq fairly and give us the whole picture. They have even committed FRAUD right in front of our eyes. They have no shame!


18 posted on 12/28/2004 4:28:35 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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This is a great article.
I've been saying for years that Conservatives CANNOT let Hollywood go. If we didn't have the alternative media, Dubya would not have won this last election.
Think about how much traction conservatism will be once we have a dozen "Passions" and "Michael Moore Hates America." Our movement will be unstoppable.


19 posted on 12/28/2004 4:29:36 PM PST by mowkeka
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The old Hollywood formula for success -- make a movie that breaks a taboo -- is hard to follow in an era in which there aren't any taboos left, or at least not ones for which a mass market exists.

Incorrect, the huge taboo remaining to be broken is political correctness.

How about a real adaptation of Starship Troopers? or a Historical military epic about the defense of Europe against the Islamic tide of the middle ages.

20 posted on 12/28/2004 4:32:04 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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No, I think the die hard liberal will never change. It's like a religon to them. Some in Hollywood may change a little when it's the only way they can make money. By the way, strange name "pissant"? I'm an exterminator but I won't hold your name against you.


23 posted on 12/28/2004 4:34:34 PM PST by alienken (Bumper sticker idea- We have God in heaven & a Texan in the whitehouse,LIFE IS GOOD!!)
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I think she's missed the point. The so-called conservative success stories in the movies, music, etc. weren't made to put a conservative voice in the mix. They were honest stories and honest songs that were actually entertaining.
26 posted on 12/28/2004 4:35:19 PM PST by wolfpat
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Movies that have a conservative or traditional bent ususally do so in a more secondary, or even unintended manner; whereas many movies have overt, intentional liberal messages. I don't expect that to change very much.

There is of course The Passion of the Christ, but it not a politically conservative movie. Movies like Braveheart, Forrest Gump, The Incredibles, and Lord of the Rings all can be considered to have very strong conservative/traditional themes and messages, but they don't preach and they are not in-your-face. And some of the filmmakers would probably be horrified to learn that conservatives celebrate them.

Movies like The Contender, The American President, etc and television shows like West Wing all have distinct political messages that they ram down the viewer's throat. Then you'll have shows like Law & Order do an episode where the writers obviously decided to take liberal plank, and contruct a story around it, as they recently did with gay marriage.

Then of course you have leftwing versions of movies like Braveheart or Lord of the Rings that have more subtle liberal messages.

Then there is a third manner in which Hollywood puts forth liberal messages: through out-of-the-blue asides uttered by characters that have nothing to do with the story. Law & Order does this quite often too. As does CSI; I remember an exchange on one episode where a gun was found in a family's yard. The homeowner was asked if they owned any guns. Instead of having the character simply say a politically neutral "no", the writers had to have them say the more politically tinged, "no, we don't believe in guns", as if they are a religion or something. The difference is obvious, and no doubt intentional. Now it is true that over the yrs Law & Order has had conservative characters who have gotten their share of soundbites, but generally speaking they are given weaker lines and less of them.

My point is that I expect the situation to follow: Conservatives messages will be secondary and even accidental in all but the rarest exceptions, while liberal messages will continue to be put forth in all manners -- as the main point, secondarily, and injected as pointless and cheap one-liners.


28 posted on 12/28/2004 4:36:47 PM PST by Aetius
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If you want to clean out Hollyweird you better take some of these!
29 posted on 12/28/2004 4:36:49 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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All that is ever lacking are the people willing to put their money where their mind is. There is right-wing talent out there, and good stories to tell, but not the type of financing to get the scripts into production, completion and then distribution.

If I had a buck for every complaint I hear about left-wing media bias, there would be 100 movies a year pushing our viewpoint.


30 posted on 12/28/2004 4:37:16 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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I agree with the concept of this article. However, I balked at the reference that, “In the late '70s and '80s, the Christian right began to create its own huge counterculture”. Counterculture? Christianity is the backbone of this nation, before and after Hollywood. Hollywood is the counterculture in this story; drug crazed decadents, and they are slowly decomposing before our very eyes.

Maggie makes a good point about the missing movies and books about the thousand of heroes in Iraq right now, and their loved ones here in the States, and the true drama they are living. God bless our troupes, they have taken the battle to Iraq instead of fighting on the streets of New York or your town.

Marry Christmas and Happy New Year.

33 posted on 12/28/2004 4:41:04 PM PST by Dale 1
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From Hollywood's Golden Age up until the 1970's Hollywood was actually a fairly conservative place. It wasn't until they all decided to become artsy-fartsy types in the mid and late Seventies that Hollywood's heavywieghts became banal and boring. But I do believe that the conservatives' day is coming again as once-rebellious baby boomers enter their retirement years. This will be a huge potential audience with money to spend as they try to reconnect with their childhood values.


34 posted on 12/28/2004 4:42:20 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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Money talks....when it really hits them there pocket books...the liberal hollyweirdo loons will have NO choice!!! Change is a comein' I can smell it in the air. ;o)


36 posted on 12/28/2004 4:45:40 PM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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The longing for God is more basic to human nature than is sexuality or hunger.

Atheism is a vacuum. It will be filled.

The choice is not Christianity or secularism. The choice is Christianity or Islam.

42 posted on 12/28/2004 4:56:17 PM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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Maggie Gallagher is *clueless.* Hollywood has been cranking out conservative movies for years ... in the science fiction and horror genres. But to Gallagher, those wouldn't be "conservative" movies, because they're not "nice," not "family-oriented," and "not Christian."


45 posted on 12/28/2004 5:01:45 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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The fact that she has the gall to use "tsunami" in her article, made me not want to read it. Trying to get readers based on "buzz words". Disgusting.


46 posted on 12/28/2004 5:03:19 PM PST by sonserae
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