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To: Pharmboy

Wow, thanks for the post! :-)

Although, I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil. It would make this miracle of Jesus appear to be an evil as well. Why would Jesus multiply and freely distribute that which is evil? It would be like Jesus handing out pornography at a bachelor party; the belief doesn't make sense...


9 posted on 12/21/2004 1:27:11 PM PST by mike182d
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To: mike182d
You are most welcome. Here is modern Cana:


10 posted on 12/21/2004 1:31:39 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: mike182d
Why would Jesus multiply and freely distribute that which is evil?

Gee, and (my entire life), I thought I was the only one that questioned this miracle.

14 posted on 12/21/2004 1:33:49 PM PST by the Deejay (MERRY, MERRY, CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: mike182d

Jesus had to. His mother requested that he do something for the wedding party problem. He rebuked his mother for his time had not yet come, but to keep the commandment HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER, he HAD To.....


16 posted on 12/21/2004 1:36:30 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: mike182d
I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil

I've always wondered about that too, especially since many of the people I've come across who believe alchohol is "evil", also believe the English translation of the Bible should be read literally (no offense to anyone in either of those groups - its just a personal observation).
33 posted on 12/21/2004 1:45:42 PM PST by babyface00
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IMO it's the abuse of alcohol that is evil. We are given many earthly gifts, alcohol included, that are not to be abused.
34 posted on 12/21/2004 1:46:04 PM PST by balk
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To: mike182d
Although, I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil.

It is an odd thought, and it's contrary to the Bible itself.

Drunkenness is the sin, not having a drink.


42 posted on 12/21/2004 1:49:47 PM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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To: mike182d
Although, I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil.

The issue of avoiding alcohol is not based on a biblical declaration that drinking is a sin. The Bible doesn't say that. It does, however, warn specifically about "tarrying long" at strong drink, and the position of many churches is simply one of avoiding a slippery slope that almost certainly won't lead to anything good.

Also note that not all wine was "strong" wine, as in alcoholic. We have no way of knowing which type Jesus created.

MM

65 posted on 12/21/2004 2:02:44 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: mike182d; DeeJay
"I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil"

This Christian doesn't think alcohol is evil, but the way alcohol is used to excess in this society is. I don't drink at all, but not because I can't or because it would be wrong for me to, it wouldn't. "It would be like Jesus handing out pornography at a bachelor party; the belief doesn't make sense..."

A better comparison would be some Christians thinking sex is evil. But in fact, Jesus invented sex. Under the right conditions, sex is very very right and God encourages us in the Song of Solomon to "drink deeply". Under the wrong conditions, it is evil.

86 posted on 12/21/2004 2:24:08 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: mike182d
I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil.

It is the abuse of alcohol and the problems it causes that leads to this thinking. I've heard a Pentecostal preacher say that though the Bible says "a little wine is good for the stomach", if you never indulge, you'll never overindulge.

It does make some sense.

90 posted on 12/21/2004 2:55:06 PM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud; turn more counties red!)
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To: mike182d

Yes, I've heard it suggested that the wine was very weak, and therefore harmless. But even the cut wine was still much stronger than beer, and at this event in particular, we know they were already getting snookered. "Usually you serve the best wine first, then later [when the guests are too drunk to notice] you bring out something cheaper."


91 posted on 12/21/2004 3:05:22 PM PST by dangus
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To: mike182d
Although, I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil. It would make this miracle of Jesus appear to be an evil as well. Why would Jesus multiply and freely distribute that which is evil? It would be like Jesus handing out pornography at a bachelor party; the belief doesn't make sense...

Bring all the wine you can find made totally from pure water!

I doubt there is or ever have been any alcoholics as a result of drinking such wine regardless of the amount!

95 posted on 12/21/2004 3:19:06 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: mike182d
Alc isn't evil and I doubt most Christians would say that it is. It's control over some people's lives may be considered evil. For instance, I know I wouldn't serve wine at my dinner table if one of my guests had an alc problem before. If he believes God helped him get out the bondage of his addiction that was destroying his life and I made it avail in front of him, I would be "making my brother stumble".

Calling it evil, and I like your analogy, is a bit silly and over the top in my opinion. JC also drank it with His disciples. That being said, leadership demanded that He didn't abuse it and I don't see anywhere that He did or his disciples.

Merry Christmas everyone!!

102 posted on 12/21/2004 4:13:28 PM PST by WestPoint90
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To: mike182d
I've always found it odd that some Christians think that alcohol is evil.

Me too.

It would make this miracle of Jesus appear to be an evil as well. Why would Jesus multiply and freely distribute that which is evil?

The argument against is that wine, and its usage, in Jesus' time was not exactly comparable to wine and its usage today. Aside from water, wine was the only beverage that could be stored for any period of time. My understanding is that wine in Jesus' day was generally weaker than the wine we use today, and it was used daily by all members of the family.

OTOH, it seems pretty clear from the Biblical context that the wine was being used for celebratory purposes, since the waiters say, "usually the best wine is served first," the implication being that the cheap wine can be served after everyone's tipsy.

114 posted on 12/22/2004 5:15:05 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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