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Target: The Temple Mount
Haaretz ^ | 12/21/04 | Nadav Shragai

Posted on 12/21/2004 7:09:06 AM PST by ZGuy

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1 posted on 12/21/2004 7:09:06 AM PST by ZGuy
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"Elitzur and Rabbi Eliyahu are far from thinking of blowing up the mosques."

Too bad. Those mosques should be blown up and the rubble removed post haste.
2 posted on 12/21/2004 7:14:32 AM PST by Max Combined
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No theologian here, but I suspect God is not so easily swayed.

Sure, he might be angry that there is a pagan shrine on the Temple Mount, but the idea that God is giving the Paleo-Stinians power merely because they possess the territory is a bit totemistic to me.

I strongly believe that God is not "controlled" (bit strong of a word, can't think of another, perhaps "swayed" again or "influenced") by use of what is effectively a magic charm.

He looks through to the purpose, faith, and subservience to His will.


3 posted on 12/21/2004 7:17:59 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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Let them be relocated outside the Temple Proper then, as a demonstration of Islam's peaceful nature. Yes, I am of course, being sarcastic.


4 posted on 12/21/2004 7:19:36 AM PST by Camel Joe (Proud Uncle of a Fine Young Marine)
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To: ZGuy

The Mosques and their builders should be removed from the Temple Mount. Its a Sacred and Holy Place for Jews, just as Hagia Sophia is a Holy and Sacred Place for Christians.

The Muslims must be forced to vacate the many religious sites of other faiths which they have captured, desacrated and profaned.


5 posted on 12/21/2004 7:21:30 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Max Combined

Somehow flying airplanes into mosques come to mind........


6 posted on 12/21/2004 7:21:38 AM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: ZGuy

Meanwhile, "the stone which the builders rejected" is become the chief foundation stone of the true, new abode of God on earth, His people. Christians.

Merry Christmas, all!


7 posted on 12/21/2004 7:27:14 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Red Badger

Or dropping nukes on Mecca.

Bad things can happen all around when one declares a holy war.


8 posted on 12/21/2004 7:34:05 AM PST by Max Combined
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Not to sound to much like a right wing Christian nut case but ....

It's not God that gives them the power, but that of Satan. He has so convinced these people that their belief is the Truth, that they feel they are justified in what they do.

I personally have a problem with a religion that has a God powerful enough to create the world and all the wonders that are in it ... yet needs a nut case suicide bomber to take out 20-50 Innocent people (or in the case of the World Trade Center, over 3,000) and a promise if they do they get 70 virgins in heaven. Wouldn't fire and brimstone be much more effective in getting your point across? perhaps a few thousand lighting bolts?

Does anyone else see the irony in that?
9 posted on 12/21/2004 7:35:15 AM PST by Russ_in_NC
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"The Muslims must be forced to vacate the many religious sites of other faiths which they have captured, desacrated and profaned."

The Hindu's showed us the way with the demolition of the Babri mosque in Ayodhya.
10 posted on 12/21/2004 7:38:07 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: Russ_in_NC

I don't disagre at all.


11 posted on 12/21/2004 7:39:14 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: Russ_in_NC

Yup...completely correct IMO.


12 posted on 12/21/2004 7:50:27 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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Why blow it up? A fire truck full of pig pee would render that place as desolate as the souls of those who worship in those mosques.


13 posted on 12/21/2004 7:54:10 AM PST by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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No need to blow it up...the whole structure is crumbling, one piece at at time. The Western and Southern Walls have bulges, the Eastern Wall is also in danger of collapsing.

Israel to Renovate Crumbling Entrance to Disputed Holy Site in Jerusalem's Old City

Temple Mount Wall Collapses

Eastern Temple Mount wall may collapse

Temple Mount Collapse? Southern Wall of Temple Mount

Jordanians to replace Temple Mount southern wall stones; western wall also bulging

Cracks appear in Al Aqsa Mosque

14 posted on 12/21/2004 7:58:20 AM PST by ravingnutter
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Why aren't there any Messianic types digging tunnels under the mosques to fill with explosives which would be detonated around Friday afternoon sometime......?....


15 posted on 12/21/2004 7:59:19 AM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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NOTE:Eisav = Esau = Christianity, Yaakov = Jacob = Judaism, Yishmael = Ishmael = Islam

http://www.neveh.org/winston/parsha63/matosm.html

The Midrash relates how Eisav wanted to murder Ya'akov [after the latter secretly took the blessings meant for his brother. However, he worried that killing him outright would bring him capital punishment from the court of Shaim and Eiver. Therefore, he schemed to involve a third party in the assassination, which he did by marrying Machlas, daughter of Yishmael (Bereishis Rabbah 67:8)

According to the Midrash, Eisav had planned to incite Yishmael against Ya'akov. For, just as Ya'akov had usurped Eisav's role as the firstborn, Yishmael's younger brother -Yitzchak Avinu - had also pushed him out of the first position in Avraham's family. And, though his scheme was never fulfilled, apparently the groundwork was laid for collaboration between the descendants of Eisav and Yishmael to conspire against B'nei Ya'akov.

Thus, the Ya'akov-Eisav relationship is the paradigm, and the Yerushalayim-Caesaria relationship is a function of it. To control Yerushalayim, therefore, is to control Ya'akov, to a large extent, and to hold off the Final Redemption, as the following makes clear:

The following great idea of the [Vilna] Gaon became known: there are only two commandments which a person's entire body has to enter into in order to fulfill them: the commandment of succah, and that of Eretz Israel. This is hinted to in the posuk, "Then His Tabernacle (succo) was in Shalem, and His Dwelling in Tzion" (Tehillim 76:3). The Gaon adds that the commandment regarding succah requires one to construct it for this purpose, that is, to fulfill a positive commandment, and not to use that which previously existed. It is likewise with respect to Tzion, as it states in the Midrash on the posuk, "A redeemer will come to Tzion" (Yeshayahu 59:20). For, as long is Tzion is not yet built, the redeemer will not come. As Chazal have said, only "after Jerusalem is built, will the son of David will come" (Megillah 17b). According to the Midrash, the Ben Dovid will not come until Jerusalem is built. (Chapter 1:7)

16 posted on 12/21/2004 8:00:33 AM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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"Why aren't there any Messianic types digging tunnels . . ."

Slackers.


17 posted on 12/21/2004 8:00:43 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: TomSmedley

AMEN and Merry Christmas


18 posted on 12/21/2004 8:04:27 AM PST by PresbyRev
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To: Camel Joe

I have a friend who was an archeologist....The temple Holy of Holies was located almost 150 yds away from where the Dome of the Rock stands now....A new Temple could be constructed without destroying anything.


19 posted on 12/21/2004 8:08:50 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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"after Jerusalem is built, will the son of David will come"

That does not seem to be grammatically correct.
20 posted on 12/21/2004 8:11:49 AM PST by Max Combined
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