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To: ZGuy
NOTE:Eisav = Esau = Christianity, Yaakov = Jacob = Judaism, Yishmael = Ishmael = Islam

http://www.neveh.org/winston/parsha63/matosm.html

The Midrash relates how Eisav wanted to murder Ya'akov [after the latter secretly took the blessings meant for his brother. However, he worried that killing him outright would bring him capital punishment from the court of Shaim and Eiver. Therefore, he schemed to involve a third party in the assassination, which he did by marrying Machlas, daughter of Yishmael (Bereishis Rabbah 67:8)

According to the Midrash, Eisav had planned to incite Yishmael against Ya'akov. For, just as Ya'akov had usurped Eisav's role as the firstborn, Yishmael's younger brother -Yitzchak Avinu - had also pushed him out of the first position in Avraham's family. And, though his scheme was never fulfilled, apparently the groundwork was laid for collaboration between the descendants of Eisav and Yishmael to conspire against B'nei Ya'akov.

Thus, the Ya'akov-Eisav relationship is the paradigm, and the Yerushalayim-Caesaria relationship is a function of it. To control Yerushalayim, therefore, is to control Ya'akov, to a large extent, and to hold off the Final Redemption, as the following makes clear:

The following great idea of the [Vilna] Gaon became known: there are only two commandments which a person's entire body has to enter into in order to fulfill them: the commandment of succah, and that of Eretz Israel. This is hinted to in the posuk, "Then His Tabernacle (succo) was in Shalem, and His Dwelling in Tzion" (Tehillim 76:3). The Gaon adds that the commandment regarding succah requires one to construct it for this purpose, that is, to fulfill a positive commandment, and not to use that which previously existed. It is likewise with respect to Tzion, as it states in the Midrash on the posuk, "A redeemer will come to Tzion" (Yeshayahu 59:20). For, as long is Tzion is not yet built, the redeemer will not come. As Chazal have said, only "after Jerusalem is built, will the son of David will come" (Megillah 17b). According to the Midrash, the Ben Dovid will not come until Jerusalem is built. (Chapter 1:7)

16 posted on 12/21/2004 8:00:33 AM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: hlmencken3
"after Jerusalem is built, will the son of David will come"

That does not seem to be grammatically correct.
20 posted on 12/21/2004 8:11:49 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: hlmencken3
On your home page you state...

Christians see contemporary Jews through the prism of The New Testament's John 8:44. It probably is that simple.

John 8:44 says...

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Of course, you are welcome to your opinion.

However, from a Christian point of view, you are incorrect. I have never in my life heard any Christian take such a position...read Paul's letter to the Romans if you want to see how Christians view the Jews.

In John, that statement is meant for anyone who is a follower of Satan, be they Jew or Gentile. Actually, the statement is most applicable to followers of Allah.

True Christians look at observant Jews as the true family of God (the chosen people), and see themselves as very fortunate "red-headed step-children."

21 posted on 12/21/2004 8:26:11 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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