Posted on 12/20/2004 5:45:44 PM PST by wagglebee
God forbid we ever see a St. Bill Clinton.
Ping.
This is the destruction of the doctrine of the communion of saints and of the efficacy of the intercession of the saints in Heaven for the Church on Earth.
The prophecy of Our Lady of La Salette is verified yet again, as if it needed to be.
Catholic theologians through the centuries have held the view that canonization is not invariably an act of papal infallibility and is certainly not a primary exercise thereof. St. Thomas Aquinas (Quodlibet 9.c.16) holds that the pope may err in this, as in other matters where his decision depends on the truth of human testimony. St. Robert Bellarmine holds that it is quite possible for the pope "to err in particular controversies of fact which depend chiefly on human information and testimony."
When and if the heirarchy of the Church returns to its senses, it can undo whatever unworthy "saints" John Paul the Silent elevates.
Of course there have been errors with past canonizations. There is basically no historical proof that St. Joan of Arc ever even existed. However, the fact that errors are "allowed" does not give the Pope license to "lower the bar" on what qualifies a person for sainthood.
I agree wholeheartedly that it is improper for this Pope to "lower the bar". He already did it once in eliminating the "devil's advocate" function in the beatification and canonization process back in the 1980's. This is just one more step. My point is: a. Catholic teachings do not require us to agree with him; and b. any mistakes he makes in this regard can be undone.
Agreed.
Something I don't understand: how can Catholics pray for intercession of someone who is not Jesus Christ, the only intercessor (as per Romans 8)? If you'd rather not get into it here, I understand, but your statement just stirred up that thought in my mind.
That cliche tickles me. Reminds me of a football player on a team, but who never shows up for practices or games because he doesn't like his teammates and some of the coaches. What should management do with that "player"?
I do feel your pain with regards to bureaucracy in "the church", though my experience has been with Protestant denominations. As such I don't belong to any official denomination where churches are forced to give up their control to a large bureaucratic body "out there".
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,There are other reasons, but that's the first New Testament reference I thought of.
Who?
Oh, God forbid us from defending Europe from the Muslims and freeing the Holy Land! If you can think of a war where atrocities didn't occur, I have a certain bridge in New York to sell you.
I think the question has not been authoritatively answered. The weight of opinion seems to be that the answer is 'yes, the papal act of canonization is infallible.'
How about saint Christopher? didn't they just recently say that he never really existed?
CANDIDATES for sainthood will be exonerated from the requirement to have performed a miracle under guidelines being considered by the Pope.
Pray that the Holy Father doesn't do this!!!!
He believes that “latter-day saints” offer a much-needed example at a time when Christianity is under threat from secularism and rival religions.
We have PLENTY of examples to look to. One only needs to look not even a hundred years to look for holy people who resisted secular and demonic forces.
Our Lady of Perpetual Help, pray for us!
St. Joseph, protector of the Universal Church, pray for us!
St. Catherine of Siena, converter of countless souls, pray for us!
St. John Fisher, holy example to bishops, pray for us!
Pope St. Pius V, defender of the Church, pray for us!
St. Gemma Galgani, slave to the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, pray for us!
St. Maximilian Kolbe, missionary of the Immaculata, pray for us!
No intent at offense, but that rather sounds like the sin of presumption.
LOL! This isn't the first time I've seen this. It's funny because it's largely true.
That doesn't go to papal infallibility. That literally goes to the sham presently proposed. Think about it. They made the list, the real list - not the present list - because of . . . miracles! The real deal. That's how you know. That how people traditionally knew.
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