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To: stevie_d_64; Cap'n Crunch

As a formr deputy I got in a world of sh*t when my supervisor saw me pull my M1A out of the trunk of my cruiser one day......he had a cat. Told me SOP from risk management was a shotgun, issue sidearm and an approved backup personal sidearm that I had qualified a course of fire with and THAT WAS ALL I was supposed to be carrying. I worked a very dangerous area alone with backup some 20 minutes away. After the ass chewing I continued to carry it but was careful who saw it......:o)

I carried my personal M1A. As a lot of other deputies did with either a Bolt gun or AR clone of some sort "unofficially".

I am of the opinion based on my experience that most if not all PD's, LEO's ,Sheriff Departments need to double up their manpower so all patrols are 2 LEO's and one should have a shotgun an the other a rifle ,either bolt or semi-auto, that will punch ballistic body armor worn by a bad guy.

As most rifle shots from a LEO are under 50 yards I'd suggest a .308/7.62MM Bolt gun configured as a "scout gun" with Aimpoint or ACOG chunk of optics . A LEO needs to be surgical and accountable for every round they fire and to equip em "all" with an AR clone for a possible spray'n pray incident is something a risk manager should consider.

Leave the right eye left eye huggin a hostage stop shot to the motors to a well trained police marksman/sniper.

FN makes a 7.62MM "patrol rifle" , bolt action that would be my first choice for issue to all patrol vehicles to use in such a BOA Hollywood situation.

Just my opinion.......


33 posted on 12/19/2004 11:05:25 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos
We have a somewhat different problem. We've got 15 AR-15's and some guys don't want to carry one. There were 4 or 5 sitting in our armory.

There's 4 M-14's down there too. Captain won't let me have one of those. Don't know why, they certified me to carry my M1A on duty.

We got a few Thompson submachine guns also. Very nice.

44 posted on 12/19/2004 5:57:41 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Squantos
I am of the opinion based on my experience that most if not all PD's, LEO's ,Sheriff Departments need to double up their manpower so all patrols are 2 LEO's and one should have a shotgun an the other a rifle ,either bolt or semi-auto, that will punch ballistic body armor worn by a bad guy.

I agree about the two officer patrols, but I do realize that doing so halves the number of patrol units per shift.

I'm not as familiar with shotguns as I should be - what's the performance of 12 or 20 ga. slugs against Bad Guys' body armor? In the city, where I just moved away from last month, I could see rifle round overpenetration being a real problem. Out here where I am now it's much less of an issue.

68 posted on 12/20/2004 6:10:26 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Squantos

People forget or just don't know that the police in Hollywood had to "borrow" guns from a local gun shop to protect themselves against the robbers.

Sad when our LEO's don't have the weapons they need to do their jobs.


71 posted on 12/20/2004 6:23:51 PM PST by Brytani ("Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work - Edison)
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