[JFK_Lib]

Prof Collins is a brave man, and koodos to him.

Still, he should not so quickly dismiss all of ID as merely 'God of the Gaps' type knee-jerk.

There are still many gaps to our scientific knowlege and many gaps that have been 'filled' still fall into the miraculous category (IMO) despite science slapping a name onto it. The Big Bang for instance had matter/energy moving at faster-than-light speeds for a while shortly after everything in the cosmos came into existance from nothing within a milisecond. How is that NOT miraculous? How does scinece defining and labeling it rob it of its exemplifying Gods power?

Evolution is the same thing. It shows how finely tuned the entire universe is toward the existance of life, and has been from its inception.

That design speaks far more persuasively to me than some trivial reduction to 'God did it.' That isnt sciencel it is a slogan.

Science needs more than slogans.

[Ichneumon]

Big Bang for instance had matter/energy moving at faster-than-light speeds for a while shortly after everything in the cosmos came into existance

No it doesn't.

Evolution is the same thing. It shows how finely tuned the entire universe is toward the existance of life, and has been from its inception.

Actually, it shows how life finely tunes itself to whatever conditions it's in.

That design speaks far more persuasively to me than some trivial reduction to 'God did it.'

I've never been too impressed with the, "I find it amazing, thus it must be God" argument.

Science needs more than slogans.

Is that *your* slogan?

Science has *far* more than slogans. Check out any decent research library and start wandering the aisles. Bring a map so you don't get lost, they're *HUGE*. And there's a lot more in them than "slogans".

[Fester Chugabrew]

"Creating the laws of physics and chemistry that, over the eons, coaxed life from nonliving molecules is something he finds just as awe inspiring as the idea that God instantly and supernaturally created life from nonlife." - Professor Collins

Professor Collins accepts the miracle of the creation of physical laws. Creation of time and light are not much different. The miraculous nature of it all wears off when one is born into it.

[Random Designer designer]

Hello JFK_Lib

Indeed, it has been quite a stimulating existence of late.

An Op-Ed piece is slated for this weekend's edition of the York_Dispatch newspaper in Pennsylvania. There is an Intelligent design/evolution court case there between the ACLU and the Dover school board.

This should help you understand my thoughts on ID.

Warmest regards...
RGC