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Glad you signed up yesterday to post this trash. You seem like one of those hate the Jooooooooooo's agenda driven posters who are popping up lately. If you aren't, prove me wrong.

Rebuttal answersI think that the 'crazy' in your user-name is showing through here, the choice of name should reflect one's persona - don't you think

Ony if ones opinion of people who are professed right wingers happens to be skewed to begin with.

Yes the Arabs of occupying the land, and have been doing for a few centuries. But that's not good enough for the Eretz Israel types, who would push them off (preferably killing them), whilst spitting in the face of the Christian leaders

The Jews have been there for centuries also. They bought the land they live on, and are legally entitled to it by virtue of a UN resolution establishing the State of Israel, which was supervised by your very own Winston Churchill when British territorial holdings in the Middle East were given self determination in the late 40's.

Eretz Israel types? Thats a mighty large label applied with a huge brush stroke. Do you normally assign a reactionary label to an entire group of people with a common belief? If so, thats a method of intolerance and hate on your part

Spitting in the face of Christians? I've never had a Jew spit in my face, and I've read the article you are referencing. I've been to Israel a few times, so if this were as common as you allege, it probably should have happened to me by now. The Jews responsible were prosecuted for doing it by the Israeli's, so obviously this isnt a widely held belief common to all Jews. If it were, my wife and children should be spitting in my face daily.

Yeah, and driving bulldozers through refugee camps is a really accurate means of targetting - come to think of it, why are these people living in such camps, could it be the ethnic cleansing the Israelis undertook back in the late '40s?

Maybe you should ask this question of Jordan. They have 10 refugee camps with 300,000 people in them. UNWRA has to look over them because the Jordanians have periodically murdered more Palestinians than the Israelis ever thought of. The incident you are speaking in (Jenin) resulted in 20 Palestinain deaths, and an equal number of Israeli deaths due to an ambush and massacre by the Palestinans.

Dont forget the fact that Jenin sent out an inordinate amount of suicide bombers to murder Israelis prior to military operations conducted there.

Glad you signed up yesterday to post this trash.

Well I signed up on Wednesday not yesterday, and it was to post other trash, this just seemed like a jolly argument to join.

You seem like one of those hate the Jooooooooooo's agenda driven posters who are popping up lately. If you aren't, prove me wrong.

I take that to mean that you think I am a rabid anti-semite. If so, you are utterly wrong. It would be impossible to prove this purely by written means, unless you accept my word that I am not. My view of the Jews is like my view of the Inuit, or the Mongolians - I am not one, but have no reason at all to have animosity towards them. I have come across of these anti-semites, and they were a bunch of utter lunatics; to suggest that the Jews secretly control the media, or the medical profession, or whatever else is almost as obviously false as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

The Jews have been there for centuries also.

Right into the 20th century there were more Christians than Jews, should this have become a Christian state?

a UN resolution establishing the State of Israel, which was supervised by your very own Winston Churchill when British territorial holdings in the Middle East were given self determination in the late 40's.

Well that all went back to the Balfour Declaration, which was rather silly. Sir Winston Churchill also ordered the Gallipolli campaign - ask our Australian brethren if you want to know about that - even the impramatur of such a great man does not make something right.

Also it is stretching a point to call it self-determination. It was a British pull-out based on frustration with the Arabs' lack of willingness to negotiate, and the terrorism of the Irgun and Stern Gang.

Eretz Israel types?

I mean those (both Jews and some protestant Christians) who apply a Divine Right to the Jewish possession of the entire land of ancient Israel. I have no problem with them holding that position, but as it is based on a particular view of revelation they should not be surprised when other people disagree with them; especially when grotesque means of accomplishing it are used.

Spitting in the face of Christians? I've never had a Jew spit in my face, and I've read the article you are referencing.

I'm glad to hear it, and for the record neither have I. however, I do tend to accept the views of local Christian leadership on the treatment of Christians in a given place, given the statements of the Latin Patriarch, the Greek Patriarch &c.&c.&c. I would not be terribly sure of decent treatment of Christians there.