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Glad you signed up yesterday to post this trash.

Well I signed up on Wednesday not yesterday, and it was to post other trash, this just seemed like a jolly argument to join.

You seem like one of those hate the Jooooooooooo's agenda driven posters who are popping up lately. If you aren't, prove me wrong.

I take that to mean that you think I am a rabid anti-semite. If so, you are utterly wrong. It would be impossible to prove this purely by written means, unless you accept my word that I am not. My view of the Jews is like my view of the Inuit, or the Mongolians - I am not one, but have no reason at all to have animosity towards them. I have come across of these anti-semites, and they were a bunch of utter lunatics; to suggest that the Jews secretly control the media, or the medical profession, or whatever else is almost as obviously false as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

The Jews have been there for centuries also.

Right into the 20th century there were more Christians than Jews, should this have become a Christian state?

a UN resolution establishing the State of Israel, which was supervised by your very own Winston Churchill when British territorial holdings in the Middle East were given self determination in the late 40's.

Well that all went back to the Balfour Declaration, which was rather silly. Sir Winston Churchill also ordered the Gallipolli campaign - ask our Australian brethren if you want to know about that - even the impramatur of such a great man does not make something right.

Also it is stretching a point to call it self-determination. It was a British pull-out based on frustration with the Arabs' lack of willingness to negotiate, and the terrorism of the Irgun and Stern Gang.

Eretz Israel types?

I mean those (both Jews and some protestant Christians) who apply a Divine Right to the Jewish possession of the entire land of ancient Israel. I have no problem with them holding that position, but as it is based on a particular view of revelation they should not be surprised when other people disagree with them; especially when grotesque means of accomplishing it are used.

Spitting in the face of Christians? I've never had a Jew spit in my face, and I've read the article you are referencing.

I'm glad to hear it, and for the record neither have I. however, I do tend to accept the views of local Christian leadership on the treatment of Christians in a given place, given the statements of the Latin Patriarch, the Greek Patriarch &c.&c.&c. I would not be terribly sure of decent treatment of Christians there.

I appreciate your response to the questions. I guess we can agree to disagree on a few issues, but it doesnt seem like you are a confirmed member of the rabid anti-semite club to me, so please accept my apologies.

Yes, there were Christians all over the Middle East, for centuries. Lebanon was envisioned as a Christian state, and partitioned as such. Unfortunately, it was overthrown and occupied by Islamists a few decades back, and the rest of the Middle East Christians have been living in persecution for decades. The real guiding question concerning Middle East Christians is where do they go to escape religious persecution- The Copts, Marionites, Palestinian Christians, etc who live in countries in the Middle East that are extremely hostile to them and keep them in virtual dhimmitude. This is a perplexing question, and one that deserves to be given some real attention.

I know of few committed Zionist Christians or Zionist Jews who wish to commit genocide to solve the Palestinian problem. I can see where it would be easy to draw that conclusion from extremist statements of some of them make, but I have learned to consider the source when I see or hear these statements.

There are admittedly some who are maybe a little more attached to the cause than is healthy, but true practitioners of both religious traditions call for preservation of human life, and no one advocates or even wants to be associated with a perverted 21st century version of the "Final Solution" when the Palestinian issue is addressed.

Anyone who is well read and knows any history at all knows the drumroll of anti-semitism is the prelude to a totalitarian movement with designs on world control. The only difference between the Hitlerian anti-semites of the 1940's and the Islamic/Leftist anti-semites of today is the fact todays anti-semites include both Jews and Zionist Christians on the list to be dealt with, as well as the nation of Israel, in their version of the "Final Solution" which is apparently still being cooked up.

The huge flaw in their logic is the fact that the actions they take to disestablish and weaken the nation of Israel could eventually result in a genocide of epic proportions if the Arabs took advantage of the results their actions gained and drew Israel into a prolonged war.

Thats my reason for my committed defense of Israel. I dont want to see this end up in genocide-which it very well could if this isnt addressed and is allowed to grow.

I mean those (both Jews and some protestant Christians) who apply a Divine Right to the Jewish possession of the entire land of ancient Israel. I have no problem with them holding that position, but as it is based on a particular view of revelation they should not be surprised when other people disagree with them; especially when grotesque means of accomplishing it are used.

Ah, you mean chr*stians who actually believe the Bible is the inerrant word of G-d as opposed to blasphemers who insist G-d is the author of falsehood and error.

Wait a minute--is this Patriarch Sabbah???

Hey mods, we have an actual celebrity on FR! "His beatitude" the Supreme Higher Critic of the Catholics in 'Eretz Yisra'el has joined Free Republic to defend the immemorial chr*stian doctrines of partial inerrancy and the documentary hypothesis!