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AESTHETICS OF HATE: R.I.P. DIMEBAG ABBOTT, AND GOOD RIDDANCE -- Time For Conservative Imagination!
ICONOCLAST ^ | by William Grim

Posted on 12/14/2004 8:40:19 AM PST by Apolitical

Part of the hard work of civilization is teaching young to be able to distinguish between the good and the bad in all aspects of life. If we teach our young children to obey the 10 Commandments and to obey the laws of the land, but don't teach them to realize that Johann Sebastian Bach is superior to Dimebag Abbott, we have failed as parents and mentors. If a person has gone through 12 or 13 years of education and has not developed an appreciation for the greatest artistic achievements of mankind, that education has been an utter failure.

While laissez-faire is the correct approach to economics it has no place in the realm of aesthetics or morality. A confidant civilization imposes its morality and aesthetics on it young people. Yes, you heard it right. We impose. The Rousseauian noble savage is a myth. Left unchecked and untutored the savage will never attain nobility......

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: dimebagdarrell; headbanger; pantera; shooting
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To: Tragically Single

The intro to "Cemetary Gates" is one of the most beautiful and listenable musical pieces I've ever listened to.


101 posted on 12/14/2004 9:23:15 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Strategerist

Well, I am a good-looking, pretty much clean cut, no tatoos, no piercings, right wing politico (who thinks W is TOO liberal). Oh, I am also a metal head.
If I was near the vigil sight I would have been there, Perhaps in this authors opinion I would have purtied up the joint.
The rantings in this piece would be better suited coming from the liberals I know that are still stuck in the sixties listing to Peter Paul and Mary and the Beatles. Their superior taste allows them to look down on metal. This author has much more in common with the left that even he realizes.


102 posted on 12/14/2004 9:23:20 AM PST by L`enn
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To: kevin

Actually, Kevin...that was her birth name.


103 posted on 12/14/2004 9:24:29 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Skooz

"Well, that is your hateful opinion..."

Perhaps you are having trouble distinguishing between being opinionated as to someone's hypocrisy and hating them. Do you realize there is a difference? If you disagree please explain how you repetitively conclude that I hate them?

"...based in abject ignorance"

What pray tell is the basis for you being able to conclude I have no knowledge of these types. I am actually quite of student of them, I'd even say an aficionado.

If you respond again please think and do so logically so that I have some reasonable basis to engage in discourse with you further.


104 posted on 12/14/2004 9:24:30 AM PST by US admirer
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To: RockinRight
"I also love Yngwie Malmsteen who combines both better than anyone!"

Remember, that's Yngwie J. Malmsteen, so as to not confuse him with all the other Yngwie Malmsteens out there (as per David St. Hubbins).

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

105 posted on 12/14/2004 9:24:40 AM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: L`enn

Also add to the fact that I could be trained to play 2 or 3 Bach or Beethoven tunes in less than a day, but it would probably take 2-3 months, perhaps years to play Metallica, Queensryche, Kansas or Rush . The degree of complexity is like comparing a balsa airplane to the space shuttle.


106 posted on 12/14/2004 9:25:47 AM PST by L`enn
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To: L`enn

That, and the liberal idea of going after physical appearance when losing an argument on substance. Yeah, I think living in Europe has changed this guy, and he doesn't even realize it.


107 posted on 12/14/2004 9:26:20 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: Strategerist

"However, the clown that wrote this article isn't exactly doing a good job of selling people on classical music."

...or conservatism for that matter. Mr. Grim is a snob.


108 posted on 12/14/2004 9:27:02 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah from the Family - Feliz Navidad *<[:o))))
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To: Question_Assumptions
Interesting article. Wonder if Yngwie is a US citizen?

""To the people in Porte Allegre, you should be ashamed of yourself. I don't give a f--- if I ever play your peasant-infested third world city again."

That is the best thing I've read today!

109 posted on 12/14/2004 9:27:04 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Constantine XIII
Will anyone remember William Grimm 300 years from now. Doubtful since I never heard of him before today.

I know his writings aren't as great as Shakespeare so somone should off him. What an idiot.
110 posted on 12/14/2004 9:27:31 AM PST by sharkhawk (It's 5 O'clock somewhere)
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To: kevin
And Madonna picked her name because she wanted to reference a motherly image and show her devotion to the Saviour!!

Madonna's mother and father picked her name.

111 posted on 12/14/2004 9:27:48 AM PST by countess
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To: VOYAGER

To me Pantera is a listenable and pleasant sound.


112 posted on 12/14/2004 9:27:53 AM PST by L`enn
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To: L`enn
Well, I am a good-looking, pretty much clean cut, no tatoos, no piercings, right wing politico (who thinks W is TOO liberal). Oh, I am also a metal head.

Ditto that for me.

113 posted on 12/14/2004 9:28:48 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Apolitical
It was an assemblage of ignorant, semi-human barbarians who were filthy in attire and manner, intellectually incoherent and above all else, hideously ugly to the point of physical deformity. Here is a definite case in which the outer appearance of these "fans" accurately represented the hideousness of their souls. That the physical deformity of their ugliness was self-inflicted makes the spiritual tragedy of their misspent lives all the more tragic.

But one can see why the heavy metal fans so closely identified with Mr. Abbott. He was an ignorant, barbaric, untalented possessor of a guitar and large amplifier system. Freakish in appearance, more simian than human, he was the performer of a type of "entertainment" that can be likened only to a gorilla on PCP. Lacking subtlety, wit, style, emotional range and anything approaching even the smallest iota of intellectual or musical interest, Mr. Abbott was part of a generation that has confused sputum with art and involuntary reflex actions with emotion.

This guy's gotta be some Puritanic a-hole or thinks the last good music was made in 1790.

What a dick.

(RIP Dimebag)

114 posted on 12/14/2004 9:29:54 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (Name a shrub after me - something prickly and hard to eradicate.)
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To: L`enn

My oldest daughter will sit at the piano and play some truely great classical pieces (she's getting pretty good at the sight reading thing)... then, she goes in her room, down tunes the guitar and proceeds to play the darkest riffs.

Personally, I think her classical piano training is paying off, making her a better metal player, but that's just a personal opinion.

Sometimes, we sit together and crank our amps, and play riffs from March Slav... Downtunes, with distortion, and annoy my wife - another music snob who hates metal. Heh heh.


115 posted on 12/14/2004 9:29:55 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

I hope that your dislike for the author, is not evidence of dislike for excellence.


116 posted on 12/14/2004 9:30:00 AM PST by cornelis
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To: RockinRight

Tritto. (Is that a word?)


117 posted on 12/14/2004 9:30:25 AM PST by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: cornelis

No. I don't dislike "excellence" I dislike the author and his attitude.


118 posted on 12/14/2004 9:31:20 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: Tragically Single
William E. Grim is a writer who lives in Germany

HA! Something about him reeked of Eurotrash. I wonder why he's relocated to Germany?

Perhaps I'll email him...

119 posted on 12/14/2004 9:32:27 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (Name a shrub after me - something prickly and hard to eradicate.)
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To: Apolitical

Words never more true in my field, architecture. Sigh.


120 posted on 12/14/2004 9:32:35 AM PST by Lorianne
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