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We need protection from the pedlars of religious hatred
Telegraph ^ | 12/14/04 | Iqbal Sacranie

Posted on 12/14/2004 8:30:01 AM PST by Pikamax

We need protection from the pedlars of religious hatred By Iqbal Sacranie (Filed: 14/12/2004)

In his column last Saturday, Charles Moore began with an almost unbelievably provocative question. "Was the prophet Mohammed a paedophile?" he asked.

The charge of paedophilia refers to Mohammed's marriage with Aisha. Yet a paedophile is one who is primarily aroused by children. For most of his married life, the Prophet (peace be upon him) had one wife, who was a widow with children of her own. After her death, he married others, most of whom were former widows themselves. Why would the Prophet have waited three years after his betrothal to Aisha – his only virgin bride – if not because he was waiting for her to attain puberty?

So the charge of paedophilia is nonsense; and, to be fair, the former editor of The Daily Telegraph acknowledged as much in his next paragraph. "People are perfectly entitled - rude and mistaken though they may be - to say that Mohammed was a paedophile," he wrote. Even so, the conjunction of the Prophet's name and this particular crime will have shocked Muslim readers.

As it happens, poetry in the Muslim world - and, in particular, that of the Urdu poet Allama Iqbal – abounds in complaints and reproaches made to God Almighty. Few poets, however, would dare to cast aspersions upon the name and memory of the blessed Prophet Mohammed. Witness the Persian couplet: Ba khuda deewana basho, Ba Muhammad hoshyar (Take liberty with God if you wish, but be careful with Mohammed).

European writers, though, have a history of taking liberties with the Prophet. As Minou Reeves, a former Iranian diplomat, observes in her book Mohammed in Europe: A Thousand Years of Western Myth-Making: "Over the course of no fewer than 13 centuries, a stubbornly biased and consistently negative outlook had persisted, permeating deep levels of European consciousness. In the works of an overwhelming majority of European writers, Mohammed was portrayed as a man of deep moral faults. Churchmen, historians, orientalists, biographers, philosophers, dramatists, poets and politicians alike had sought to attribute to Islam, and especially to Mohammed, fanatical and disreputable, even demonic characteristics."

It is no easy task to convey to a secular audience the immense love and esteem in which Muslims hold the Prophet. To us, he was the restorer of the worship of the One True God; teacher of an elegant and pristine monotheism; the friend of the orphans and the poor; a wise statesman, brave warrior, loving father, considerate husband; he was also the final of God's Prophets sent to mankind to remind us of the awesome Day of Judgment, when all will be called to account for the deeds we have committed during our lifetimes.

Anyway, back to Mr Moore. We seem to be revisiting the arguments that came to the fore during the Satanic Verses affair. Is freedom of expression without bounds? Muslims are not alone in saying "No" and calling for safeguards against vilification of dearly cherished beliefs. Earlier this year, the BBC accepted complaints from Catholics and withdrew its cartoon series Popetown. Why does society not show the same courtesy and sensitivity towards Muslims?

As you may have gathered, Mr Moore disapproves of the Government's proposal to outlaw incitement to religious hatred, seeing it as an "attempt to advance the legal privilege that Muslims claim for Islam". Quite what "privilege" Islam currently enjoys in Britain over and above other faiths, he does not say.

Yet the proposed legislation does not create a new offence as such. Such an offence already exists in relation to the Jewish and Sikh communities, by dint of their being regarded as mono-ethnic communities. It also exists in relation to all faith and belief communities in Northern Ireland. The Home Office proposal simply extends the current provisions to all faith communities in mainland Britain. If the present provisions in relation to Jews, Sikhs and Northern Ireland raise no concerns - and there is no real campaign to remove these provisions - why should they raise concerns if extended to other religions in Britain?

So, the incitement to religious hatred proposal is not a matter of advancing privileges for British Muslims. It's about establishing equality under the law.

The current loophole in our legislation has resulted in far Right groups such as the BNP modifying their racist rhetoric of yesteryear - no doubt out of fear of prosecution - into a more explicitly and aggressively anti-Muslim invective, this time without fear of breaking the law.

Stirring up hatred against people simply because of their religious beliefs or lack of them ought to be regarded as a social evil. The BNP's ongoing Islamophobia can and has led to criminal acts, abuse, discrimination, fear and disorder. At the moment, there are laws against those who are stirred into committing these offences, but not against those that do the stirring. In opposing the incitement to religious hatred provision, Charles Moore, Rowan Atkinson and the National Secular Society are unwittingly strengthening the hand of those, such as the BNP, who peddle religious hatred.

Quite a few red herrings have been floated this past week about free speech and the dangers of censorship. To be sure, proscribing legitimate free speech is not in the interest of any religion. The death of discussion, debate and robust criticism about a religion is the surest way of routing that religion itself. However, we can make a critical distinction between the substance and form of free speech. The law need not infringe on the substance but can assist to moderate the form, so that all people in this country, whatever their religion, may live in dignity, free from hatred and hostility.

As Martin Luther King observed: "The law might not change the hearts, but it can restrain the heartless." Modern Britain, like the rest of Europe, is now home to millions of Muslims. Some may have sought political refuge in our more democratic societies, some migrating for economic reasons.

Whatever their motives, they are now a part of the social fabric that constitutes these societies. Muslims in Britain do not seek to create an enclave or a parallel culture. They want to be respected as British. That is what they are. And the government that sees and treats them as such, by criminalising offences directed specifically at them, is a government that understands its obligations.

Iqbal Sacranie is secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cult; islam; mohammed; muslim; pedophile; religion; satanic; terrorist
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To: Pikamax
We need protection from the pedlars of religious hatred By Iqbal Sacranie

"Iqbal Sacranie "
Lord, give me strength to not prejudge this article and it's writer before I read it...
61 posted on 12/14/2004 5:37:49 PM PST by VOA
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To: Pikamax
Take liberty with God if you wish, but be careful with Mohammed

Just when I thought that I learned all I ever need to know about Islam on 9-11-2001.

So Mohammed is more sacred than the One True God?
Or is this just referring to his proclivity to separate heads from bodies
if it pleased him?
62 posted on 12/14/2004 5:42:37 PM PST by VOA
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To: Pikamax

"Quite what "privilege" Islam currently enjoys in Britain over and above other faiths,
he does not say. "

He doesn't have to. It's covered quite well in the David Pryce-Jones article linked below:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article.asp?aid=11805031_1

(note that you can get the article in PDF by clicking the button in upper-right)


63 posted on 12/14/2004 5:46:33 PM PST by VOA
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To: Kurt_D

Um, trust me. It gets worse and worse and worse...


64 posted on 12/14/2004 6:07:17 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: AppyPappy

LOL

Poor camels...


65 posted on 12/14/2004 6:08:29 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Apes, thanks for the quotes from the Koran. I could have survived NEVER seeing that picture, but the darkness must be exposed by the light.

Good job.


66 posted on 12/14/2004 6:14:10 PM PST by jan in Colorado
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To: Pikamax
We need protection from Isalm, the pedlars of religious hatred...
67 posted on 12/14/2004 6:20:12 PM PST by Gargantua
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To: ApesForEvolution
I'm surprised you haven't yet made any snide comments about my not showing up to this thread, AFE.

Sigh. It's rather like Kabuki.

The religious bigotry exhibited on this thread is unbecoming of conservatives, who supposedly believe in assigning responsibility to individuals and not groups. It is wrongheaded and foolish to hold all one point whatever billion Muslims responsible for the acts of, at most, a few thousand. It is unAmerican to call for government to suppress a religion; if you succeed now with Islam, what will you do when President Hillary declares war on Christianity? Government has no role to play in matters of faith.

We now return to the regularly scheduled Islam-bashing.

68 posted on 12/14/2004 6:22:28 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
But Christianity is open to criticism...

Could Islam withstand the same..? It is only fair...let's subject them both to the same scrutiny...do you have the courage...I suspect you are not Islamic...just anti-God...but you'll do...

RSVP

69 posted on 12/14/2004 6:34:09 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Pikamax

Yeah yeah, Iqbal........sell it elsewhere. It ain't sellin' here, sport. Your "religion" is nothing more than a blood cult, and we all know it. Screw yourself.


70 posted on 12/14/2004 6:41:46 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: weenie
I suspect you are not Islamic..

You're correct here.

just anti-God...

You're wrong here.

but you'll do...

For what? Write an apologia for Islam? That's not something for which I am qualified... All I do is condemn religious bigotry, and point out that it's contrary to the virtue of holding individuals reponsible for their acts.

71 posted on 12/14/2004 6:44:35 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek

Help me out...I don't understand what you are saying...but wil l not disagree with what I don't know...


72 posted on 12/14/2004 6:48:45 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: jan in Colorado

Good post.......great rant.........but relax.

Islam will never, ever, EVER threaten to take over America. We have hundreds of years of history as a bunch of independent, in-your-face, I-dare-you-to-f**k-with-me types to ever allow that.

No, Islam has met its match in America. We'd destroy them in a head-on fight, but of course.....the chickens**ts choose to fight like the cowards they are.

Which, of course, only serves to tick us off even more.


73 posted on 12/14/2004 6:50:02 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: weenie
Help me out...I don't understand what you are saying...but wil l not disagree with what I don't know...

I don't defend Islam; I defend the right of people to be Muslim if they so choose. It is wrong to call for our government to suppress people's free conscience merely because of terrorists callimg themselves Muslim. It is right to attempt to covert Muslims to Christianity, as everyone should be so converted, but that must be done individually.

74 posted on 12/14/2004 7:08:06 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek

Don't worry, Iqbal Sacranie, here comes Islamo_Geek to the rescue. So what if his sort brings about the death of more and more innocent Americans? It's all for a lame cause, and he feeeeels better about himself (something he sorely needs).

Every nation needs a cowardly appeaser to get his countrymen killed... NOT!


75 posted on 12/14/2004 7:13:25 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: weenie

It's just his same tired old cowardly appeaser screed, lightly peppered with his usual anti-Christian bildge.


76 posted on 12/14/2004 7:15:29 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

It's a common proverb in the Islamic world: "Women are for children and men are for pleasure."

(gag!)


77 posted on 12/14/2004 7:17:19 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: RightOnline
LOL Appreciate your comments. But trust me, that was no rant. That was merely speaking the truth in love. Believe me, when I rant, you will KNOW it. LOL

And I'm actually very relaxed, thanks. I do think you may be underestimating the evil that surrounds us. Also, you might want to be careful about saying Islam could NEVER take over America. Arrogance is the first step towards defeat. Remember, the Titanic could NEVER sink, the Towers (never forget), could never come down...well those two events did happen after all, and one of them was by a group of Islamic followers.

When Christians are the one group being prosecuted as committing hate crimes (see thread City will prosecute Christian protesters) I start to feel a little uneasy.

When Christians can't talk about God or Jesus in public schools, but Muslims have special treatment and places set up to pray in those same schools, I get a little more concerned, and when the Boy Scouts are demonized and persecuted, and Under God is questioned in the pledge, and the 10 commandments are offensive,then I'm ready to RANT

Thanks.

I feel a lot better now.
78 posted on 12/14/2004 7:25:25 PM PST by jan in Colorado
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To: Chemist_Geek
I have read a lot of your stuff...I admire what you have written though I must admit I don't always follow...

My fear of Islam is only that it spreads by the sword, and, once inside, criticism is punishable by death, and leaving Islam is punishable by death...

Gee...that isn't Christianity or Judism...

I don't have a problem with any faith that is accepting of others...but a problem arises when one wishes to absorb the others by threat of violence.

what is the definition of a philosophy or way of life that says: we tolerate no criticism...no analysis...no examination of our belief...that is blasphemy and punishable by death...

With that manner of thinking...what is the defense against the perpetuation of an eternal lie. How can anyone stop a lie (Islam, for example), if examination is blasphemy and punishable by death. What kind of truth is it that cannot withstand the light of day...

79 posted on 12/14/2004 7:25:49 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: broadsword

Sad stuff...


80 posted on 12/14/2004 7:28:23 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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