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To: 26lemoncharlie

Why does the church not allow married men to become priest?? I heard that 100-200 years ago the church knew if priest were married once that priest died they would have to continue supporting the spouse. i.e. that not allowing priest to marry was not some devine intervention from God but based soley on ecomonic issues.


5 posted on 12/14/2004 3:21:43 AM PST by superiorslots
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To: superiorslots

Nobody thinks that priestly celibacy is a matter of divine fiat nor of doctrine. It's solely a matter of discipline and might be reversed.

That said: I think its a good idea.


6 posted on 12/14/2004 3:27:18 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: superiorslots; 26lemoncharlie
Why does the church not allow married men to become priest??

The biblical basis for this is as follows.

Clerical Celibacy

The Roman Catholic Church demands celibacy--no voluntary sexual pleasure, hence, no marriage--as a prerequisite to the order of presbyter.

The primary basis for the requirement of celibacy is clearly the lifestyle example of Jesus himself.

The Church notes that the practice is sanctioned by the New Testament.

Mt 19:12
Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.
1 Cor 7:6-7
This I say by way of concession, however, not as a command. Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am (single? widowed?), but each has a particular gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
1 Cor 7:25-26
Now in regard to virgins, I have no commandment from the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. So this is what I think best because of the present distress: that it is a good thing for a person to remain as he is.
1 Cor 7:32-34
I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

The law of celibacy has no doctrinal bearing in the Catholic Church--it is a mere disciplinary law. Even today, there are married Catholic priests in the United States. Each is a former Episcopalian priest who joined the Catholic Church. There are Uniate Churches, churches in union with Rome, e.g., the Greek Byzantine Church, who have a married clergy.

Priestly celibacy became law in the Roman Church in the 6th century.

In a practical sense, a priest enencumbered by a wife, children, mortgage, orthodontist payments, etc. can better attend to his flock. He can devote himself entirely to his calling. This choice is freely made by those men who feel 'called' to the priesthood.

7 posted on 12/14/2004 3:28:33 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: superiorslots

I was a lot earlier than 200 years ago.

A lot of it had to do with European inheritance laws.

If a man who was going for the preist-hood came from a landed family or had wealth, when he died, all of his property got taken by the Church.
Same thing with girls who entered the Sisterhood.: if they had a dowery, it became the property of the Church.

Simple Money and Land grab.



9 posted on 12/14/2004 3:35:03 AM PST by tiamat (Solis Invicti)
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To: superiorslots

The Priest is Married to the Church as a Man is Married to a women.

There are a number of documents on this subject:

These are at the URL below

http://www.catholic.org/phpframedirect/out.php?url=http://library.catholic.org/plweb-cgi/fastweb?TemplateName=views.tmpl


Finally, priestly obedience has a particular <"pastoral" character.> It is lived in an atmosphere of constant readiness to allow oneself to be taken up, as it were "consumed", by the needs and demands of the flock. These last ought to be truly reasonable and at times they need to be evaluated and tested to see how genuine they are. But it is undeniable that the priest's life is fully "taken up" by the hunger for the Gospel and for faith, hope and love for God and his mystery, a hunger which is more or less consciously present in the People of God entrusted to him.

29. Referring to the evangelical counsels, the Council states that "preeminent among these counsels is that precious gift of divine grace given to some by the Father (cf. Mt 19:11; 1 Cor 7:7) in order more easily to devote themselves to God alone with an undivided heart (cf. 1 Cor 7:32-34) in virginity or celibacy. This perfect continence for love of the Kingdom of Heaven has always been held in high esteem by the Church as a sign and stimulus of love, and as a singular source of spiritual fertility in the world".[76] In virginity and celibacy, chastity retains its original meaning, that is, of human sexuality lived as a genuine sign of and precious service to the love of communion and gift of self to others. This meaning is fully found in virginity which makes evident, even in the renunciation of marriage, the "nuptial meaning" of the body through a communion and a personal gift to Jesus Christ and his Church which prefigures and anticipates the perfect and final communion and self-giving of the world to come: "In virginity or celibacy, the human being is awaiting, also in a bodily way, the eschatological marriage of Christ with the Church, giving himself or herself completely to the Church in the hope that Christ may give himself to the Church in the full truth of eternal life".[77]

In this light one can more easily understand and appreciate the reasons behind the centuries-old choice which the Western Church has made and maintained--despite all the difficulties and objections raised down the centuries--of conferring the Order of Presbyter only on men who have given proof that they have been called by God to the gift of chastity in absolute and perpetual celibacy.

The Synod Fathers clearly and forcefully expressed their thought on this matter in an important proposal which deserves to be quoted here in full: "While in no way interfering with the discipline of the Oriental Churches, the Synod, in the conviction that perfect chastity in priestly celibacy is a charism, reminds priests that celibacy is a priceless gift of God for the Church and has a prophetic value for the world today. This Synod strongly reaffirms what the Latin Church and some Oriental Rites require, that is, that the priesthood be conferred only on those men who have received from God the gift of the vocation to celibate chastity (without prejudice to the tradition of some Oriental Churches and particular cases of married clergy who convert to Catholicism, which are admitted as exceptions in Pope Paul VI's Encyclical on priestly celibacy, No. 42). The Synod does not wish to leave any doubts in the mind of anyone regarding the Church's firm will to maintain the law that demands perpetual and freely chosen celibacy for present and future candidates for priestly ordination in the Latin Rite. The Synod would like to see celibacy presented and explained in the fullness of its biblical, theological and spiritual richness, as a precious gift given by God to his

Church and as a sign of the Kingdom which is not of this world, a sign of God's love for this world and of the undivided love of the priest for God and for God's People, with the result that celibacy is seen as a positive enrichment of the priesthood".[78]

It is especially important that the priest understand the theological motivation of the Church's law on celibacy. Inasmuch as it is a law, it expresses even before the will of the subject expressed by his readiness. But the will of the Church finds its ultimate motivation in the celibacy and sacred Ordination,> which configures the priest to Jesus Christ the Head and Spouse of the Church. The Church, as the Spouse of Jesus Christ, wishes to be loved by the priest in the total and exclusive manner in which Jesus Christ her Head and Spouse loved her. Priestly celibacy, then, is the gift of self and Christ his Church and expresses the priest's service to the Church in and with the Lord.

For an adequate priestly spiritual life, celibacy ought not to be considered and lived as an isolated or purely negative element, but as one aspect of a positive, specific and characteristic approach to being a priest. Leaving father and mother, the priest follows Jesus the Good Shepherd, in an apostolic communion, in the service of the People of God. Celibacy, then, is to be welcomed and continually renewed with a free and loving decision as a priceless gift from God, as an "incentive to pastoral charity",[79] as a singular sharing in God's fatherhood and in the fruitfulness of the Church, and as a witness to the world of the eschatological Kingdom. To put into practice all the moral, pastoral and spiritual demands of priestly celibacy it is absolutely necessary that the priest pray humbly and trustingly, as the Council points out: "In the world today, many people call perfect continence impossible. The more they do so, the more humbly and perseveringly priests should join with the Church in praying for the grace of fidelity It is never denied to those who ask. At the same time let priests make use of all the supernatural and natural helps which are now available to all".[80] Once again it is prayer, together with the Church's Sacraments and ascetical practice, which will provide hope in difficulties, forgiveness in failings, and confidence and courage in resuming the journey.


12 posted on 12/14/2004 3:52:34 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: superiorslots
There are a lot of threads on FR about celebacy:

Pope Defends Clergy Celibacy Order

Has the Time Come to Consider Making Celibacy Truly Optional In the Western Church?

Catholic Scandals: A Crisis for Celibacy?

Celibacy of the priesthood is a church strength, not a liability

Celibacy s history of power and money

Pope: Priests Must Stay Celibate

Giving Thanks for the Good Shepherds ( A Defense of Priestly Celibacy)

Don't end celibacy for priests

The celibate superhero

Priestly Celibacy And Its Roots In Christ

How to Refute Arguments Against Priestly Celibacy

Priestly Celibacy Reflects Who - and Whose - We Are[Father George W.Rutler]

Celibacy

Tracing the Glorious Origins of Celibacy

God’s call to celibacy for the sake of His Kingdom - by Card. George

Vatican Says Celibacy Rule Nonnegotiable

Bishop Attacks Move to End Celibacy

A response to Fr. Joseph Wilson's defense of mandatory celibacy

The gift of Priestly celibacy as a sign of the charity of Christ, by Mother Teresa of Calcutta

Archbishop Dolan:"We Need to Be Renewing Our Pledge to Celibacy, Not Questioning It"

Celibacy is gift cherished by church

Celibacy Will Save the Priesthood

Celibacy Defended by EWTN's Fr. Levis

Call To Action: Dump Celibacy

The (Catholic) Church Has Always Prospered When Celibacy Is Honored

John Paul II Hails "Inestimable Value" of Priestly Celibacy

For Priests, Celibacy Is Not the Problem

Fr. Shannon Collins Discusses Celibacy

5 Arguments Against (Catholic) Priestly Celibacy and How to Refute Them

Why A Married Priesthood Won't Remedy the Priest Shortage

59 posted on 12/14/2004 6:43:21 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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