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Congress bans lighters from airliners
Seattle PI ^ | Dec 8, 2004 | Leslie Miller

Posted on 12/08/2004 2:40:01 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Passengers already are barred from smoking on commercial flights. Now they won't be allowed to bring their butane lighters on board either.

As part of the intelligence reform bill passed Wednesday, Congress added the lighters to the long list of banned items, including scissors, pen knives and box cutters.

Democratic Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota had pushed for the change for more than a year after learning the Transportation Security Administration allowed them on planes.

"When I found out that they had explicitly, in their rule, said you could take two butane lighters and four books of matches on board, I thought, 'What have they been drinking?'" Dorgan said. Matches still are allowed.

Dorgan cited FBI reports that would-be "shoe-bomber" Richard Reid would have been able to ignite his explosive and blow up a trans-Atlantic jetliner three years ago if he'd brought a butane lighter with him.

Wyden and Dorgan were so persistent in their campaign against the incendiary devices that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., joked earlier this year that he never thought butane lighters would get so much attention.

"This is probably not the biggest thing in the world," Dorgan said. "But it's one of those areas where a big government agency couldn't develop a little bit of common sense about something so obvious."

The ban takes effect 60 days after President Bush signs the intelligence reform bill into law.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; intel8reform; intelligencereform; tsa
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To: dalereed

Dude, you really should look into this thing called "anger management". Wishing somebody dead for a post on FreeRepublic is the teensiest weensiest bit over the top.


61 posted on 12/08/2004 3:09:32 PM PST by asgardshill ("We march by day and read Xenophon by night.")
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To: Prime Choice

Nor do I suspect that was a desired result. : )


62 posted on 12/08/2004 3:09:46 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
It took them this long to ban lighters? I mean, if smoking was already banned, what need would anyone have for a lighter???

I might want to set a liberal on fire!

63 posted on 12/08/2004 3:10:25 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: NonLinear
Prior to 9-11, please cite some examples of terrorist a**holes flying aircraft into large buildings . . .

It only takes one time to make regrets.

64 posted on 12/08/2004 3:11:35 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Prime Choice

Nope, no strip searches for them. (Dang people seemed to be obsessed with the strip searches! LOL) I know some will still get on the plane. But, this will at least minimize it.


65 posted on 12/08/2004 3:12:44 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: AdamSelene235

Not really a bizarre internal fantasy. I am willing to bet there are more pyromaniacs that fly on commercial aircraft daily than terrorists.


66 posted on 12/08/2004 3:13:51 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Although we do not have a case of a lighter causing a plane to crash, we do have according to the FAA a case where a fuel tank exploded for not apparent reason.

Why not remove all the planes that have the same type of fuel tank and electrical components as the plane which blew up?

Oh thats right we are not really trying to stop possible problems, we are trying to stop smoking.

That is what this is about, period.

67 posted on 12/08/2004 3:14:06 PM PST by highpockets
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To: SunTzuWu
I might want to set a liberal on fire!

And I completely support that! Just do it at the baggage claim, not on the plane. LOL : )

68 posted on 12/08/2004 3:14:56 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
I am willing to bet there are more pyromaniacs that fly on commercial aircraft daily than terrorists.

Fine, let me carry a Glock and I promise to take care of any pyromaniacs.

69 posted on 12/08/2004 3:15:55 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

How about we compromise and let the pilots carry the glock? : )


70 posted on 12/08/2004 3:16:29 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Prime Choice
Civil libertarians are embarrassing because they treat every government rule as a personal attack on their God given right to do whatever they want.

Banning a fire-staring device that contains combustable material from an airplane is not tantamount to strip searches and nudity. Get some perspective. There is no good reason to have a lighter on a plane, not a single one. So that fact that people are so vehemently against the ban is more due to a childish "you can't tell me what to do" than a real loss of liberty

It's just embarrassing is all
71 posted on 12/08/2004 3:17:02 PM PST by CaptainJustice
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
How about we compromise and let the pilots carry the glock? : )

It should be up to the airline not the Feds.

72 posted on 12/08/2004 3:17:19 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Couldn't they have just banned "Freebird" from the airlines' playlist? Would have solved the lighter problem.
73 posted on 12/08/2004 3:17:22 PM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
"It took them this long to ban lighters? I mean, if smoking was already banned, what need would anyone have for a lighter???"

To light your cigs before the flight and after you get off the flight in a smoking area.
74 posted on 12/08/2004 3:17:33 PM PST by Ginifer
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To: asgardshill

" Wishing somebody dead for a post on FreeRepublic is the teensiest weensiest bit over the top."

Anger had nothing to do with it and the statement stands.



75 posted on 12/08/2004 3:17:34 PM PST by dalereed
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To: CaptainJustice
Banning a fire-staring device that contains combustable material from an airplane is not tantamount to strip searches and nudity.

How, pray tell, do you propose to detect non-metallic matches?

76 posted on 12/08/2004 3:18:19 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

I agree with that. Can't say I want anyone accept pilots and authorized law enforcement packing on the plane though.


77 posted on 12/08/2004 3:18:22 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Ginifer

Either wait until you get your baggage, or if you're jonesing so bad on a layover, buy a cheap Bic.


78 posted on 12/08/2004 3:19:06 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
I agree with that. Can't say I want anyone accept pilots and authorized law enforcement packing on the plane though.

Buy your own airline.

79 posted on 12/08/2004 3:19:25 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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