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Fringe On The U.S. Flag What Does It Mean? Admiralty Courts in Colorado?
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Posted on 12/07/2004 7:38:13 PM PST by Pharmboy

Patriots are subjected to much ridicule when they object to [Admiralty flag] the flag that appears in every government office and courtroom in the land. That flag is the United States flag... with one seemingly minor cosmetic difference - a knotted golden fringe on three sides.

Government officials and judges adamantly refuse requests to remove the gold fringed flag and replace it with the constitutional flag of the United States as defined in 4 U.S.C. Section 1,2, and 3 - which has NO fringe.

Why should anyone be concerned about this apparently innocent decorative feature? What difference does it make?

The difference is that the flag that is displayed is legal notice, to all who enter, of the type of law that holds jurisdiction. The constitutional United States flag signifies common law jurisdiction.

The gold fringed United States flag is the Admiralty or War flag which denotes Admiralty or martial law.

Hogwash, you say? Is there no Admiralty Court claiming jurisdiction in America except in matters that occur on the high seas? Think again! Just as the founders of this country railed against the King for extending Admiralty law to the lands of the Colonies, so are those few patriots who have paid attention to the corruption of our legal system, raising a hue and a cry over the current usurpers of jurisprudence.

Rocky Mountain News Wed. May 22, 1996 Legal Notices Section The legal notices here displayed concern property seized by Federal agents as booty under Admiralty law. Notice is required so that anyone who might have an interest in the property seized has opportunity to seek to protect his interest.

One would not be wise to attempt this, though. Most likely, any excuse will be used to allege that the party claiming interest in the property was a party to the alleged offense that resulted in the original seizure.

The allegation is enough to justify the taking of property - under Admiralty law guilt is presumed. The claimant might well lose other property not yet in the hands of these landgoing pirates, even though no actual conviction of any offense is ever entered. Check your local paper's legal notices. Look into the cases cited and see if any conviction occurs - or if any charges were even filed - against the persons whose property was seized.

Colorado is a long ways from the ocean. Admiralty law is farther still from the common law recognized under Federal and State constitutions.

You decide... are these patriots kooks? Or have we been blind to the tyranny that is even now upon us?

More Evidence on the Flag Issue Our official courts today are all operating under admiralty jurisdiction, except the court of Claims in Washington D.C. which remains under the common law...You can easily identify an admiralty court by noting the presence of a gold fringed flag in the court room. This is a military flag which denotes admiralty jurisdiction within that court... " Sizes and Ocassions for Display

National flags listed below are for indoor display and for use in ceremonies and parades. For these purposes the United States flag will be rayon banner cloth, trimmed on three sides with golden fringe, 2.5 inches wide. It will be the same size as the flags displayed or carried with it.

Aurthorization for indoor display. Each military courtoom." Army Regulation 840-10, October 1 1979

Admiralty and Maritime, Military Law


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
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To: Strategerist

I enjoy conspiracy theories much the same way as some enjoy the Three Stoogies - good old fashioned laughs. The Chemtrails bit appears on Coast-to-Coast AM on a regular basis (the result of people not knowing basic, grade-school science).


41 posted on 12/07/2004 8:13:01 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Half a league, half a league rode the MSM into the valley of obscurity)
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To: DBrow
A while back there was a FReeper named Michael Rivero .............

Did he ever admit that the U.S. did not sink the Kursk before he was banned?

42 posted on 12/07/2004 8:13:35 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Pharmboy
You decide... are these patriots kooks?

Affirmative.

43 posted on 12/07/2004 8:13:40 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Pharmboy

. . . IOW, don't sweat it. This one's come up before, it's just a crackpot notion. The last guy who was pushing it here on FR . . . Rivero something . . . had it all tied in with the idea that attorneys using the title of "Esquire" and judges using "Your Honor" meant that they were all taking "titles of nobility" as prohibited by the U.S. Constitution, and therefore they had abrogated the Constitution, and therefore they flew the fringed flags to let everybody know about the conspiracy . . . or something like that (if you have a conspiracy, why would you want to let everybody know about it?)

Haven't seen him around in awhile . . .

44 posted on 12/07/2004 8:14:20 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Pharmboy

Admiralty Jurisdiction is in the Federal Courts. Even if the court is landlocked. (remember rivers can be navigable waters)

The fringe is treated as cosmetic and "neato". It is amusing to watch the fringe philosophers who try the "I don't understand" BS in the court room. If they would have shown some respect they would have gotten farther.


45 posted on 12/07/2004 8:15:05 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Denver Ditdat
Gosh, my memory was correct!

I remember him arguing about Admiralty jurisdiction too.

Well, you sure do meet a lot of . . . interesting people on FR, don't you?

46 posted on 12/07/2004 8:15:09 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Polybius

Man, I may have to look at his archived posts. he sounds like a loon. Did he just cross the line between "amusingly nutty" to "call the guys with the butterfly nets"?


47 posted on 12/07/2004 8:16:12 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Half a league, half a league rode the MSM into the valley of obscurity)
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To: Pharmboy
I have not yet seen this addressed on FR, although I'm sure it has. Does the fringe really mean martial law? Well, this flag is in all schools, but what does it really mean? Help me out here, Freepers...

I always wondered what the next scam the revved Bev Harris would do to fleece the DUmmies of their welfare checks after the AWOL Bush and Black Box Voting petered out...

Bet she could sheer the flock one more time with this one. You should demand a percentage.

48 posted on 12/07/2004 8:17:53 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ( ----- HERTZ: We're #1 ----- AVIS: We're #2 We Try Harder ----- CBS: We're #3 We LIE Harder)
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To: All
OK! This can fly then...


49 posted on 12/07/2004 8:19:10 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: DBrow
It's only natural to bring up Michael Rivero's name when discussing the fringe element.

Leni

50 posted on 12/07/2004 8:20:35 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Pharmboy

Oh no! You are one of THEM! :-)


51 posted on 12/07/2004 8:20:45 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Half a league, half a league rode the MSM into the valley of obscurity)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Who's Bev Harris? I don't recognize the name.


52 posted on 12/07/2004 8:21:14 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: Army Air Corps

If you would be most kind to look out your window now you will see and hear several dark olive helicopters. Wait for instructions. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE...


53 posted on 12/07/2004 8:22:53 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Aha! So you admit the fringed flag is tied into the Admiralty Law Conspiracy to deny African Americans the vote...


54 posted on 12/07/2004 8:25:20 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Pharmboy

LOL! This thread is reminding me of the movie Conspiracy Theory.


55 posted on 12/07/2004 8:26:01 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Half a league, half a league rode the MSM into the valley of obscurity)
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To: Wallace T.
It seemed to crop up in the 1980s in Posse Comitatus circles...

Who you calling a pussy communist?

56 posted on 12/07/2004 8:26:30 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ( ----- HERTZ: We're #1 ----- AVIS: We're #2 We Try Harder ----- CBS: We're #3 We LIE Harder)
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To: Pharmboy

Admiralty law is expressly acknowledged by the Constitution and is not antithetical to the common law. Admiralty jurisdiction is one of the jurisdictions expressly conferred on the federal - common law - courts. Admiralty law rarely has anything to do with martial law, but mostly has to do with what happens when a ship is damaged or a cargo is screwed up.


57 posted on 12/07/2004 8:26:41 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: jim_trent
Don't forget the significance of an eagle on the top of the flagpole.

Or the bullet and match.

58 posted on 12/07/2004 8:32:36 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Pharmboy
Yest, this has been battered around on FR for a long time. In fact, I think I was the first to bring it up and posted extensively on it as I have researched this for a long time.

It's just one of those things that anybody can believe anything they want about it.

But one thing is certain. Flags denote jurisdiction.

The Title IV, USC 1 flag (described in E.O. 10834) is the official flag of our country. It is the civilian flag and has very precise specifications based on ratios relative to hoist and fly.

Military and federal flags are based on size, not ratios, and may or may not have fringe, depending on their use.

Chances are that you will never see the civilian flag with the 1 to 1.9 ratio in a courtroom, for as noted in the article, most, if not all of our courts are under admiralty jurisdiction and the flags used therein are based on SIZE, not RATIO.

I don't know why that is so hard for anyone to understand. Even the flag manufacturers don't get it, for none of them manufacture a flag based on the E.O. 10834 ratios.

I think the objections to the fringed flag in school rooms and other municipal places are made because some feel the schools should be under the jurisdiction of the state, not the federal government. The same objections, of course, hold for the state and municipal courts as well as other state and municipal buildings.

How silly to think the federal government has assumed state and municipal powers just because their jurisdictional flag is displayed in our public buildings.

By co-inky-dink, I happened to post the EO 10834 Title IV flag spec sheet on another thread today. FWIW, here it is again. Don't shoot the messenger:


59 posted on 12/07/2004 8:32:40 PM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: OKSooner
"Whomever is in charge at the place the gold-fringe flag is displayed has the authority to summon the black helicopters "

I have one sitting just behind me in my office.

BEWARE, PEONS!

60 posted on 12/07/2004 8:34:17 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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