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Head of the Class (illegal immigration/college)
WESTWORD ^ | 12-2-04 | HELEN THORPE

Posted on 12/05/2004 2:58:36 PM PST by AdamSelene235

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To: AdamSelene235
"Employment can not be stolen. Its not property nor it is anyone else's entitlement."

I don't claim to understand a great deal about economics, but I do understand this much: if a person has a business and he needs help running it, he has to hire someone. Let's completely take the race issue out of it. Lets say you have Paco, an illegal, who will help you for $3 an hour, and you have Manuel, a second generation American citizen, who requires $5 an hour. If you hire Paco, you have committed a crime, you have aided Paco in HIS crime, and you have cheated Manuel out of a job, so, in that respect, Paco has stolen Manuel's job.

Now, if you had the same kind of dollar discrepancy, and both Paco and Manuel were American citizens, then you'd have a fair market argument, but the employer cannot use that argument to justify breaking the law.

81 posted on 12/05/2004 4:59:47 PM PST by sweetliberty (Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we should.)
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To: AdamSelene235

" I'd be happy to voluntarily spend a couple bucks on this kid's college fund."

Then do it. Don't force your charitible inclinations on the rest of us. That's a leftie tactic.


82 posted on 12/05/2004 5:00:22 PM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
NO more 'free' birthings, no more 'free' education. Just let them die in childbirth. Just disallow their children to obtain medical assistance in emergencies and let them die from treatable illnesses or accidents.

No one is suggesting that. How about this concept? The bills for medical care, welfare and schooling for ILLEGAL ALIENS should be paid by their country of origin, not American taxpayers. Then they should be deported.

83 posted on 12/05/2004 5:01:24 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: sweetliberty
Lets say you have Paco, an illegal, who will help you for $3 an hour, and you have Manuel, a second generation American citizen, who requires $5 an hour. If you hire Paco, you have committed a crime, you have aided Paco in HIS crime, and you have cheated Manuel out of a job, so, in that respect, Paco has stolen Manuel's job.

The only thing that has been "stolen" is the employer's freedom to set wages and his freedom of association.

84 posted on 12/05/2004 5:02:48 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: janetgreen

You're welcome. It's basicly an exercise in futility, but I'm still plugging away. LOL


85 posted on 12/05/2004 5:07:34 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: AdamSelene235; Borax Queen; Darksheare; .38sw; Budge; agitator
So are you suggesting that it is perfectly okay for an employer to hire the lower paid worker, even though the law prohibits it and even though the law prohibits the worker from being in this country? What other laws do you suggest that it is acceptable to ignore? Please, enlighten us.

Hey; y'all might find this thread interesting.

86 posted on 12/05/2004 5:08:07 PM PST by sweetliberty (Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we should.)
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To: AdamSelene235; sweetliberty

When my mother's former employer obtained an illegal Mexican woman to replace my mother at her post, she said fine. I strongly encouraged her to report them but she declined, saying she hoped the family gets their money's worth at $5/hr to take care of their aged mother.


87 posted on 12/05/2004 5:10:14 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: sweetliberty
So are you suggesting that it is perfectly okay for an employer to hire the lower paid worker, even though the law prohibits it and even though the law prohibits the worker from being in this country?

The goverment doesn't have any business micromanaging employers.

What other laws do you suggest that it is acceptable to ignore? Please, enlighten us.

The legitmate uses of law and violence are one in the same: the defense of life, liberty and property. Any law that does not meet these criteria can morally if not pragmatically disregarded.

88 posted on 12/05/2004 5:16:21 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

What part of 'illegal' is hard to understand?


89 posted on 12/05/2004 5:18:37 PM PST by Darksheare (You must be this tall to read this tagline.)
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To: AdamSelene235
The only thing that has been "stolen" is the employer's freedom to set wages and his freedom of association.

By your standard, any restriction on immigration would steal the employers' freedom.

Do you support unlimited immigration, which would mean completely open borders, or at what point would you, in your mind, be willing to steal the freedom of employers?

90 posted on 12/05/2004 5:21:00 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: Fatalis
Citizens who don't register with Selective Service don't have to be convicted to be ineligible for student loans and aid.

Fair enough, nobody is entitled to loans or aid.

91 posted on 12/05/2004 5:21:06 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
The only thing that has been "stolen" is the employer's freedom to set wages and his freedom of association.

Let me know if I'm not saying it right - mierda de bull.

92 posted on 12/05/2004 5:22:35 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Darksheare
"What part of 'illegal' is hard to understand?"

Apparently the "il.." part.

93 posted on 12/05/2004 5:22:44 PM PST by sweetliberty (Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we should.)
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To: sweetliberty

Apparently so.


94 posted on 12/05/2004 5:23:48 PM PST by Darksheare (You must be this tall to read this tagline.)
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To: AdamSelene235

Inquiring minds would like to know....is Pablo for real...or is he a media creation...ala Jayson Blair..???


95 posted on 12/05/2004 5:26:50 PM PST by mo
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

We can win this war. We must e-mail elected officials at every level. We can encourage our states to allow localities to deputize cops to enforce immigration laws. We can join AZ in prohibiting people who are in America illegally from getting welfare and the like. www.whitehouse.gov , www.senate.gov , www.house.gov and e-mail state officials! www.cis.org , http://www.frbatlanta.org/filelegacydocs/wp0119.pdf#search='federal%20reserve%20bank%20atlanta%20amnesty'


96 posted on 12/05/2004 5:28:23 PM PST by immigrationreformactivist
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To: AdamSelene235
Fair enough, nobody is entitled to loans or aid

So, should states be required to offer in-state tuition to illegal aliens?

97 posted on 12/05/2004 5:28:30 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: AdamSelene235; mo; AuntB; Joe Hadenuf; Fatalis; Missouri; DoughtyOne; janetgreen; All
I just googled the author - Helen Thorpe.

She is married to Mayor Hickenlooper of Denver-the man who just banned Christmas from the parade.

I doubt Pablo exists.

98 posted on 12/05/2004 5:36:49 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Thanks for the ping to your note. One thing that I find really fascinating about the left is this. Isn't it interesting how connected to normal apple pie and mom values they are, when it comes to developing a great work of propaganda to promote their causes.

Most of the things this wench credited Pablo for, are things she and her leftist fellow travelers decry in our own culture.

What a B atch!


99 posted on 12/05/2004 5:46:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Fatalis
So, should states be required to offer in-state tuition to illegal aliens?

States have no business forcing taxpayers to support colleges in the first place.

100 posted on 12/05/2004 5:47:15 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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