Head of the Class (illegal immigration/college)

WESTWORD ^ | 12-2-04 | HELEN THORPE

[HighlyOpinionated]

You wrote: The Chinese student is either born here or fully paid.

The Chinese student is probably here on a STUDENT VISA and if the student is a FEMALE she will undoubtedly become pregnant, her child will become a US Citizen and if her child is a little girl, the Female Student will NOT return to China after she obtains her education (paid for by her parents from their 'cash crop') because China will not accept her girl-child into their Country. So then SHE becomes an ILLEGAL just like Pablo.

The Chinese student I'm thinking of got a job as a physician's assistant to an Oriental doctor and is paid 'under the table' because she has no Green Card (and scant chance of getting one due to not aborting the girl-child born in the USofA).

So, the question of immigration and documentation is much LARGER than just Mexicans swimming across the border.

Pablo is from Mexico and Mexico is part of America!!! Give the kid documentation so he can go to school. He's no more "Mexican" than I am Scot or German. My greatgrandfather was from Scotland, came to the USofA after the War Between the States (Civil War) and was Naturalized without benefit of Green Card. My greatgrandmother and ggrandfather were from Berlin, Germany, got here sometime after the same conflagration and I have no information about their becoming US Citizens. He owned his own business in America.

We can't shut down the borders. We can't shoot everyone who enters the USofA illegally. We aren't that kind of people. Annex Mexico if it makes you feel better. It should have been part of the USofA anyway.

Off the soapbox for now.
Fiscally Conservative and Socially Generous (aka liberal).

[DoughtyOne]

LOL

Yes, I'd say the term, "Cry me a river..." does have some relevence on this thread.

I agree with your comments, obviously.

[AdamSelene235]

It is his parents who passed this boy's sentence on him.

Empty hyperbole. His parents have no legal capacity to pass sentence on him and they certainly aren't trying to deport him.

Why should American taxpayers have to pay for it?

We shouldn't.

[sweetliberty]

"Immigrants are the U.S., the U.S. is immigrants, hard work, self discipline, community service - I don't care where you come from or how you got here - if you have those, you can stay."

One big difference. Americans are expected to obey the law and to finance those who do not.

We need to either enforce our laws, or abolish them and reassign the border guards to school crossing duty.

[seastay]

"Children are not legally responsible for their parent's actions, they certainly arent responsible for physical damage done to them by their parents."

Sure they are , children are realistically responsible to live with handicapped conditions, even and exaclty if these conditions are caused by their parents ...

This is the basic fact of life, handicap children simply just don't pretend they are not, because some do not believe in the concept of parents flaws can be passed to the next generation.

Perhaps the bleeding hearts need to take this matter up with God, and not the U.S. tax payer , as our government is not God, sad news as it for the secular humanists...

[Fatalis]

I'm afraid the Bill of Rights applies to law breakers.

Wrong, convicts and felons don't have the same rights to vote or to keep and bear arms or of free association, just to name a few.

I dont believe in a "right to work" much less a right to work in America.

You're begging the question, which is understandable, so I'll rephrase:

Do you believe that everyone on the planet should be legally able to work in the United States?

[HighlyOpinionated]

you wrote: Illegal immigrants are not special "guests" in our country. They are people who have broken the laws to meet their needs and desires. They should not benefit by their choices to break our laws.


Then why oh why does the Federal Government MANDATE that States pay for the cost of hospitalization and birth of the "US Citizen" born by an undocumented illegal immigrant alien?????????????????

THAT is the $64 Trillion dollar question.

Why didn't/doesn't the Federal Legislature forbid the States to pay any medical costs in the birthing of progeny of undocumented illegal immigrant aliens? Why allow them to be called "US Citizens" if their parents are not US Citizens????

If you want to enforce immigration laws, then start at the Federal Legislative level and work down to the local level.

NO more 'free' birthings, no more 'free' education. Just let them die in childbirth. Just disallow their children to obtain medical assistance in emergencies and let them die from treatable illnesses or accidents.

WHY??? Because we are USof Americans and we don't act inhumanely.

Or do we?

[Dan12180]

The US should not pay for any health care for any illegal citizen. They can find a way to pay for it themselves. I didn't say deny them the medical procedures! They can have any medical procedures they want or need, the just need to be responsible for themselves. The key point is any illegal needs to be responsible for their actions and needs. Our government is not responsible for them. Big difference>

Automatic citizenship needs to be changed. Just being born in a country should not grant you citizenship to that country. My opinion.

[AdamSelene235]

Wrong, convicts and felons don't have the same rights to vote or to keep and bear arms or of free association, just to name a few.

The kid hasn't been convicted of anything and if he was it would be done according to his rights under the BOR.

Do you believe that everyone on the planet should be legally able to work in the United States?

I think the US workforce should consist of the best minds and most determined people on the planet regardless of origin...Even if it means inconveniencing sniveling goldbrickers who believe the world owes them the good life just because they were born in USA. See Alexander Hamilton, Einstein, Wehrner Von Braun, etc, etc.

[iconoclast]

Keep Pablo ... extradite Snoop Dogg

[Blue Screen of Death]

Pablo, and many others like him, are the kind of people Mexico needs. It would be selfish for us to keep him here and deprive his countrymen and women of this kind of talent.

Jorge Bush sir, if you love Mexico and want to see it prosper you need to make sure Pablo and all of his brothers and sisters can return to Mexico and work at building a powerful strong free country. You need to protect the border to help Mexico by stopping the best and finest Mexico has to offer from leaving their homeland. You will be doing it for the children of Mexico.

That, folks, is as PC as I can get.

[Fatalis]

His parents have no legal capacity to pass sentence on him and they certainly aren't trying to deport him.

He has no legal right to benefit from his parents' lawbreaking.

The the children of bank robbers get to keep the loot?

[sweetliberty]

I used the term "sentence" figuratively in the sense that he is being punished because of their crime. Children are often the victims of the bad choices their parents make.

The simple truth is that there are so many things we see every day that are wrong that we can't do anything about, so when something comes along that we feel we CAN fix, it is our natural inclination to want to do so. The problem is, it is simply providing another escape from natural consequences and enabling another generation of lawbreakers.

Perhaps instead of begging government leniency and taxpayer money, these young people should be seeking to raise awareness in the private sector. Where is all that big Hollywood and NBA money? Where are the private donations of all the politicians who think this is such a worthy cause? They don't have any problem reaching into your pocket to "solve" the problem, so why aren't we seeing more of them reaching into their own? A quality education for a worthy student would be pocket change to some of these folks.

[Joe Hadenuf]

You failed to answer the question.

[janetgreen]

THANK YOU for #17. These sob story articles are hard to take for those of us who live in invaded states and are paying billions for it.

[GarySpFc]

Pablo should join the army and get his green card and citizenship that way.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Reads like something written by a graduate of the Jayson Blair School of Journalism.

[Fatalis]

The kid hasn't been convicted of anything and if he was it would be done according to his rights under the BOR.

This is not a due process issue, sorry. He's an illegal alien. He doesn't get to go to college at a discount.

Citizens who don't register with Selective Service don't have to be convicted to be ineligible for student loans and aid.

I think the US workforce should consist of the best minds and most determined people on the planet regardless of origin..

So do I, with limits. Do you believe in unlimited immigration?

[ClaireSolt]

Now wait a minute. This kid is a free-loader, and that is not in his best interest or in society's. How many people do you know who worked their way through college? This boy doesn't work. In fact, he shows disdain for physical work. If he want to be an American, somewhere along the line he needs to learn that money does not grow on trees.

And the idea that it takes INS fourteen years is ridiculous. Hopefully, Mr Gonzales will get INS moving. I suspect that he is the face of immigration reform that will be palatable.

[AuntB]

"Third graders arent responsible for their parents actions."

You're right. His parents, the OBL (open border lobby) and the lack of enforcement by misguided public officials in this country and the corruption in his country have placed this poor kid in this horrible position. He sounds like a fine young man, but his parents didn't care or they wouldn't have put him in such a position. And what answer do our political genius's come up with...give them free college. Where does this end? I'm out of money to support illegals and the anarchist employers who hire them and the social workers that give them what they are NOT entitled to.