Posted on 11/25/2004 8:19:25 PM PST by Personal Responsibility
Maryland public school students are free to thank anyone they want while learning about the 17th century celebration of Thanksgiving — as long as it's not God.
And that is how it should be, administrators say.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
I am sure there are many of you who will be upset at the fact that the PC crowd does not want to teach religon. That is fine with me. Believe what you like. What really kills me though is this subtle rewriting of history by editing God out of these kinds of events.
This week a teacher was not able to teach the Declaration of Independence due to religous references contained in it? (Link was on drudge, I will provide it if anyone asks) They can't teach that the pilgrims thanked God? And the kids can't thank God themselves?
What is this country coming to?
I have to wonder if the muslim kids are told they cannot thank Allah? Or if the ban is just on the Judeo-Christian beleivers? My money is on the latter, muslims being the PC crowd's group-du-jour.
Orwell may have been right, he was just off by 20 years. Up is down, Black is white, but I do *NOT* love Big Brother.
Orwellian. Exactly -- and it has got to stop.
What that means is that a Government bureaucrat has no right to force you to practice a certain religion and that a Government bureaucrat has no right to prevent you from practicing your own religion.
The only way to stop this nonsense is to file lawsuits whenever these people violate the First Amendment.
Sure it does.
If a student brings a bible to class that, supposedly, constitutes a breach in the "wall" of separation.
Conversely, if a school denies a student the right to speak of God that also constitutes a breach of that same "wall" as well as a breach of free speech. The school is open for a law suit here.
There's also the fact that religious persecution in Europe drove many people here to practice their religions as they saw fit. Leaving that fact out of the Thanksgiving discussion is also leaving out basic facts, and that's called malpractice.
I would disagree. If a teacher brought a bible to some class, opened it to his favorite passage and read it to the class, thats breaching the "wall of seperation". The teacher works for the school.
If a first grade student who hails from a devout christian/jewish family is called on in class to say what he is thankful for and he says "I want to thank God" in his reply, is that a breach?
Try this example. A 7th grade (13 year old) student brings a bible to school in his bookbag. During his English class, the bible falls out of the bookbag. The kid sitting next to him has been raised as an atheist. A)Does the atheist have a lawsuit because he was exposed to a bible on school property?
B) If he does sue, does the devout kid have a countersuit on grounds that the government is preventing his practicing of religon?
Common sense says no to A. If yes to A then yes to B. Reality says yes to A and even if yes to A then no to B.
That is just not what reality is though. Its sad, but it is true.
So I guess the teachers are supposed to say the Pilgrims happened to wash up on the Massachusetts coastline for whatever reason. Religious freedom had nothing to do with it? When the first kid raises his/her hand asking what a Pilgrim is, will the answer explain that they were a religious group? The whole thing is just crazy!
When will they learn...
for in Him we live and move and have our being.
God gives us every precious gift. If they don't thank Him now - will they talk to Him when the gifts are removed???
You have one half of it, but the converse it true as well.
In today's legal climate if a student brings a bible to class and reads it that student can be removed from class.
It doesn't have to be a bible, it could be a Christian tee shirt or a Christian book cover. Any mention or reference to religion is viewed as a breach of that mythical wall.
That's exactly what is happening in the Maryland school system. Those school administraters know the "mood" of the judiciary in respect to religion.
Now as far as the second part of your post:
A)Does the atheist have a lawsuit because he was exposed to a bible on school property?
Yes, he does because anyone can bring a lawsuuit at any time if he feels that he was in some way injured.
But (and this is a big BUT), the freedoms that we enjoy in the First Amendment supercede any litigation that would hamper those freedoms.
This is exactly the problem. The climate is exactly the opposite of what common sense says it should be.
Now as far as the second part of your post: A)Does the atheist have a lawsuit because he was exposed to a bible on school property? Yes, he does because anyone can bring a lawsuuit at any time if he feels that he was in some way injured.
We know this. Thats not the gist of the post and I am confident you know that :)
But (and this is a big BUT), the freedoms that we enjoy in the First Amendment supercede any litigation that would hamper those freedoms.
And yet I can see a time where that is no longer the case. A time not so far from now.
That's true, but we're not talking about common sense unfortunately, we're talking about activist jurists who are not held accountable for their actions, and make up law as they go.
It seems that we now have a "legal caste" made up of judges and lawyers who study case law outside of its relationship to constitutional law.
And yet I can see a time where that is no longer the case.
I hope so, but I'm doubtful. Once law is made it's difficult, but not impossible, to change. Also, the emphasis now on who is to be selected for the Supreme Court takes away the true cause for our rogue judiciary - the Congress.
Bush may appoint conservative judges, but there's no guarantee they will remain conservative without a watchful Congress.
Like you I'm hopeful for the future, but guarded in the present.
Sickening.
Idiots are educating our children.
Of course, she has started to genuflect to the statue of Lincoln in Lincoln Park. Good Republican upbringing ....
Where have you been for the last 40 years. This is the status quo mindset in most public schools.
The whole situation is littered with irony.
Well the story today is that the Pilgrims were oppressed homosexuals and came to the US so they could openly engage in homosexual acts and get married....
THERE IS NO WALL. When will the simple meaning of the 1st Amendment be set aright. There is no wall. It doesn't say it and it doesn't mean it. It's not there. Do yourself a favor and read this article.
http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html
I am only 35 :)
I always voted Republican just because the democrat candidates seemed wishy washy. I work in NYC and was there for 9-11. I started to immerse myself in politics etc...directly thereafter. I only found Free Republic on the web a short time ago, and I am glad to have found it. I always thought it was just me who was going crazy at the hypocrisy all over the place.
"You got suspended from school again! What for this time?"
"Praying."
Someone please show me how to turn the clock back, if only for a little bit. I want to go back to high school and torment the administration so more.
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