Posted on 11/25/2004 6:44:38 PM PST by Haro_546
Yes. This type of aircraft has no place in the modern battlefield and Foreseeable conflicts. The money could be put into more usefull sistems (each unit cost about $235 million for 239 planes) Whats your opinion?
Also, you clearly have NOT
examined at all, probably
and certainly not fairmindedly, the more weighty docs and evidence available at or through the DISCLOSURE project site.
IMHO, the DVD evidence prepared from the 400+ professional witnesses for Congressional presentation is among the better available at that site. A lot of those career professionals are too hefty for the fairminded to glibly snoot at, imho.
http://www.disclosureproject.org/writings.htm
Of course, it's certainly an open question as to whether DR GREER is fighting the puppet masters or a stoolie of them.
I do believe he has earnestly surfaced a LOT of stuff that was long overdue to surface. And, I believe he has some very high quality connections with sources who know tons about the real picture.
I just don't believe that he's going to succeed at forcing anything out into the open until God, ET's and the puppet masters have decided to cause it/allow it.
Assumptions are tricky things. They often bear more care than they are given.
Well said Quix.
I've rarely been
that influenced
by the
GROUP THINK
of
MOST MINDS.
Thankfully.
My condolences, if you have been.
Ohhh, have I just been b!tch slapped?
I don't think so. It will keep us #1 in air supremecy. I live directly in the flightline of Lockeed/Dobbins AFB in Marietta,Ga. , and as I write this, there is one being testflown. Great looking aircraft, regardless of what anyone thinks of it's effectiveness.
However, it has become a playground for someone else, who does not apparently live in "our" reality. Too bad.
Assuming one does have a relative with top secret clearance working on some hush-hush gov't project, are they really going to share that info with the whack job in the family? Hardly.
I don't think so.
There was plenty of opportunity for it not to fit.
There was a clear IF involved.
How can I know from such little evidence if it applies or not?
However, IF it does . . . you've probably heard about the shoe fitting.
BTW, I'm not any kind of b*tch.
We hear the same exact thing about the Abrams Tank, until it proved to be almost invincible.
Then we heard this crap about the A-10 Warthog, until it proceeded to kill tanks like shooting fish in a barrel.
Then we heard this stuff about the Stryker, until it went to Iraq....
Before that it was the Bradley...
Very true. And something i've said all along.
My friend who worked on "have blue" told NOBODY until the technology was long out of the bag around the time of Greneda if i recall correctly.
I highly doubt Quix is getting any top secret intelligence fed to him because anyone in that position would not be devulging the information onto an internet forum. This would be immediately traced to him, and his "source"... and probably a lifetime in prison for the "source" that talked to this blabber mouth.
Your sweetness
is showing through your assaults and insults again!
Fancy that!
Actually, my relative, at one time, was the black sheep in the family.
And, we're talking about a job he had for less than 7 years more than 30 years ago.
Your assumptions are showing again.
Evidently only very limited, certain, narrowly defined kinds of good natured fun and thought-provoking discourses are allowed by the nanny wannabe's?
Interesting. And this, no doubt, from those who consider themselves broad-minded.
Sigh.
I see someone addressed Poohbah. He's a dear soul. Disagrees with me fiercely. Thankfully, we can still have meaningful dialogue on occasion. I think he's head and shoulders above the rest of you in maturity as well as wisdom and charity--all without compromising his perspective in the least.
Chinese can't "see" it.
Excellent overview on the value of military R&D.
We own the sky since WW2. Even though we were the first ones to ever use fixed wing aircraft in battle, it's only during WW2 when we stepped up to the plate and never went back.
2/3 of German subs were sunk by "airpower". Nearly 40% of German industrial production was suppressed by "airpower". The battle of the bulge was won with "airpower". Since WW2 NO BODY has really knocked the US from their thrown in the air. NO BODY! All arguments of this nature are garbage arguments where people try to say something like "Well, well in the beginning when the F4 was phased in they only had a 2:1 kill ratio in Vietnam (In the US favor mind you)". It's ALL either speculation or where people attempt to throw out statements with qualifying remarks that are more emotional than factual. Fact is- The US has ruled the sky since WW2 (inclusive). Even in Korea we actually did fairly well with the F86.
The US’s advantage in the Air even when compared to its allies is enormous. Enough to where interoperability and mission planning has become difficult. Our bigger and stronger allies fly aircraft which for the most part are 1 to 2 GENERATIONS behind in aircraft evolutions we currently use. Their armament is equally behind and there is much less capabilities in ordnance mix. Their specialization is less in airframes, size dwarfed when compared to us in volume of aircraft available, training for pilots less (Can’t afford the flying hours), more restricted in training, lack nearly ALL strategic capabilities, have less experience, less developed doctrine, think less in terms of “Joint” operations and are less synergistic/integrated in capabilities where all hardware is designed to complement one another.
We have a bigger and more modern air force MOTHBALLED than what Italy/Austria and many others fly with!
We typically sell our older aircraft to other countries who after we phase them out still use; sometimes for decades.
The Texas Air National Guard has more Air Power than Denmark, Norway, Austria, and many others.
If the USN were considered as a separate air force, they would be second after the USAF in global airpower. We can project more airpower on our carriers alone than nearly any air force on this planet. No joke. Our air wing in the USN is a more powerful AF than the RAF or current Luftwaffe of the Bundeswehr, and that’s a fact.
The US is a technological powerhouse in defense. Skilled labor, high tech industry, low production costs in the civilian sector are married up with- massive defense spending, decades of military development (experience-technology transfer’s and so on) in a large scale, massive infrastructure in defense. All this makes the US have a big advantage in the Air where it’s a battle between geeks. My geeks are better than your geeks is the name of the game here. And in the air it’s the geeks than win the fight, even if the fighter jock would never admit this.
Red6
>>My point is that the money can be better spent on other system that will provide the same result as the f-22 and cost less.<<
And they are?
And how do you know this?
Art? Art Bell? Is that you?
Given all the givens,
the possibilities I was interested in discussing with the poster are at least as plausible as a lot of others.
The thread could have easily remained a good spirited exchange amongst mature friendly sorts
had not a list of 'broad-minded' sorts felt compelled to assault my IQ, my personhood, my sanity, my good will, my honesty and my integrity--all rather contrary to forum rules--though clearly such people are ABOVE THE RULES according to their behavior and declarations!
You might check your mirror, Fred.
As I've noted,
essentially--whatever I've shared has been 'outted' by dozens of folks decades ago.
And, who knows what percentages of it are truth, disinformation or whatever degree of mixture.
The stuff even my relative shared was all in the public domain from a diversity of sources already. But it was nice to have someone I knew and trusted confirm some things held loosely.
We shall see what really falls out into our reality when such stuff surfaces more overtly.
Your assumptions are showing, again.
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