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Gay Dads, Bringing Up Baby
Newhouse News ^ | 11/22/2004 | Barri Bronston

Posted on 11/23/2004 6:41:57 PM PST by Incorrigible

Dale (l) and Chris Liuzza read to Seth before putting him to bed for the night -- a ritual they have shared since he was born. (Photo by Kathy Anderson)

 

Gay Dads, Bringing Up Baby

BY BARRI BRONSTON

NEW ORLEANS -- With $70 in gift cards to spend, Chris and Dale Liuzza zip through a suburban Babies 'R' Us, filling their shopping cart with everything from onesies and socks to diapers and wipes. It is February 2004, and a great adventure is just beginning.

"I want to make sure we get the softest ones," Dale says, trying to decide between Pampers and Huggies. He places the diapers in the cart, and pauses with Chris to admire the infant snoozing in his baby carrier.

"He screamed for 15 straight minutes on the way over," Dale says of his 1-month-old son, Seth. "I know at some point he'll start fussing again. He'll give me signs as if to say, `I wanna get out of here."'

From the diaper aisle, the Liuzzas stroll past toys, high chairs, cribs and swings en route to the media department, where they browse through books, videos and CDs. Seth's peaceful slumber soon gives way to fidgeting and tears.

"There he goes, just like I said," Dale says, laughing. He lifts the carrier from the cart and gently swings it. The soothing motion coaxes Seth back to sleep, giving Dale and Chris time to finish their spree.

On the video shelves, Dale notices the words "Moms' #1 Choice" on the cover of a "Baby Einstein" DVD and shakes his head.

"That really bothers me," he says. "Why can't it just say, `Parents' No. 1 Choice'?"


Despite a maternal side -- he is gentle, affectionate and protective -- Dale, 23, is not a mother. Neither is Chris, 37, Dale's partner of six years. They are gay fathers, basking in the joy -- and embracing the responsibility -- of new parenthood.

The Liuzzas are part of the "gayby boom," a surge in the number of gay and lesbian couples who are choosing to become parents through adoption or reproductive technology.

Of the more than 600,000 gay couples living together in the United States, about 60,000 male couples and nearly 96,000 female couples have at least one child under 18 at home, according to the 2000 Census. The Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, believes the number of same-sex couples with kids is considerably higher.

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Chris Liuzza had what was by all accounts a safe, happy and healthy childhood. He grew up in the New Orleans suburb of Kenner with his parents, Nick and Mary Liuzza, and three siblings.

At Isidore Newman School, he was an avid sports fan. He dated girls throughout his teens. His family meant the world to him, but he was well into adulthood before he could share the secret he had kept since he was a child.

"My brother had already suspected, so my mom called me on the cell phone one day and just asked, `Are you gay?' I paused for a second. And I said, `Yeah.' She said, `You know you can tell me anything you want.' My dad was the same way. It was a non-issue."

Dale and his twin sister are the children of Donald and Pamela Crosby of Kenner. The suburb is the same, but there Dale's story parts from Chris's.

Even as a young child, he was different from many of his male peers. He preferred hanging out with girls, and gravitated to the arts as a means of self-expression. "I never really got into sports because I just wasn't good at it," Dale says. "I liked to dance a lot and act. Everyone called me Patrick Swayze because I could dance like him."

He often played school, impersonating his female teachers by wrapping long shirts around his waist and pretending they were skirts. "I called myself `Miss Melissa,"' he says.

Then came the teasing and the name-calling from classmates, which reached a low point in January 1998 when the junior at Archbishop Rummel High School "came out" to his family and friends.

"All of my friends turned on me," Dale says. "I had no senior year. It was so bad that I had to have lunch in the guidance counselor's room. My parents said I couldn't live in the house if I was going to be gay. I was never told that being gay was OK. I was told, `It's a sin. It's disgusting."'

To appease his parents and keep a roof over his head, he pretended to be straight. But the lying and sneaking around took its toll, and the week after high school graduation, he moved out.

Dale had met Chris in an online chat room in March 1998. They talked about their interests and families and eventually exchanged photographs. Their online chats led to phone calls, and soon they were making plans to meet in person. They had their first face-to-face meeting that June at a Mexican restaurant.

A year later, they were living together. Dale was 18; Chris was 31. The age of sexual consent in Louisiana is 17.

Although they knew marriage was not in their immediate future, they considered themselves partners for life. Dale legally changed his last name to Liuzza in October 2002 and converted to Reform Judaism, Chris' religion, in November 2003 -- less than two months before Seth's birth.

The couple wanted children, and considered adoption, but found the obstacles daunting. After investigating their options, they decided to have a biological child through surrogacy and egg donation.

Via the Internet, they found two women who agreed to serve as egg donor and surrogate. They met both women in person, then began amassing $90,000 in savings and family loans to pay the medical expenses and surrogate, egg donor and legal fees.

Dale and Chris each donated sperm to fertilize the eggs, and the resulting embryos -- three altogether -- were transferred into the surrogate, a 26-year-old woman with a husband and two children of her own.

She got pregnant on the first try.

"I wanted to help another couple achieve their dreams," says Angie Oliver, the surrogate, who asked that her Midwestern state not be identified. "But only our closest friends and family knew I was doing this for a gay couple. Living in a small town, I was concerned that my children and family would be treated unfairly if everyone knew. Gay couples are not accepted here easily, much less a gay couple having a child."

The Liuzzas found the ensuing nine months nerve-racking and worrisome. They sent Angie a taped recording of their voices and asked that she play it to their unborn baby. But it did little to comfort them.

"We didn't want to crowd her," Chris remembers. "She realized we were anxious and calling all the time. We wanted to know immediately how her appointments went. We'd be waiting and waiting to hear from her, and we'd be on pins and needles until she called."

They flew to Angie's town to find out the baby's sex, and upon learning it was a boy, began pondering names and color schemes. At home, friends threw them a baby shower. Dale's parents, who had come to terms with their son's sexuality and choice of a partner three years earlier, were there. They wore "I Am the Ma Maw" and "I Am the Pa Paw" T-shirts.

A few weeks later, on Jan. 3, the Liuzzas received word that Oliver was in labor. "We rushed out of here like mad men," Dale recalls, "and we got all the way there only to find out that it was false labor. We flew back to New Orleans, and five days later we got another call and flew back."

Seth Louis Liuzza was born Jan. 8, weighing a healthy 6 pounds, 13 ounces. Within five minutes of delivery, Chris and Dale held their son for the first time.

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On an evening in March, the Liuzzas take note of the gathering in their apartment living room: three lesbian couples, a gay dad and five children ranging in age from a few weeks to 8 years old.

"This is a pretty awesome turnout if you ask me," Dale says, before calling his first COLAGE meeting to order.

COLAGE -- Children of Lesbians and Gays Everywhere -- is one of several national support groups geared to the estimated 250,000 children of gay couples and millions of other children with one gay parent. Its 50 chapters across the country aim to give kids a safe place to share their experiences, feelings and concerns. A Web site (www.colage.org) invites kids to sign up for pen pals and participate in online chat.

Dale begins by reading from the COLAGE vision statement.

"We envision a world in which all families are valued, protected, reflected and embraced by society and all of its institutions," he says, "in which all children grow up loved and nurtured by kinship networks and communities that teach them about, connect them to, and honor their unique heritage. ... "

As the older children play in another room, parents discuss what they hope the group will do for their families.

"I want my children to see that they are not alone," one mother says. "My kids are having a hard time understanding the gay lifestyle because of what they hear from their grandparents."

"Our son has always known gay and lesbian families," says another mother, "but where he goes to school now, he has been told more than once (by classmates) that you can't have two mommies."

Before the meeting concludes, parents hear about a cruise for gay parents sponsored by celebrity lesbian mom Rosie O'Donnell, and they plan their first official event: a picnic at a local park.

Dale is pleased with the results. As a stay-at-home father, he has made COLAGE second only to his family among his priorities.

"The group is really for the children, so they don't feel different or isolated," Dale says. "The purpose of the group is to tell these kids, `You're just as special as any other kid."'

# # #

Another scene in March. Dale and Chris are glowing as they enter the chapel at Temple Sinai, their synagogue. Seth is asleep in Dale's arms, and like a magnet, attracts the attention of all who have gathered for this important day.

The Liuzzas head to the front row, where they wait for Rabbi Edward Cohn and Cantor Joel Colman to begin Seth's baby-naming ceremony, a rite of passage in which a Jewish child is given a Hebrew name.

Cohn begins by speaking of the uniqueness of this particular ceremony. "I think everyone understands that this one is different," he says. "Though this is the first in the history of Congregation Temple Sinai, we pray that it won't be the last.

"It's love, and it's love in whatever brand you want it, but it's love."

Chris and Dale alternate reading from a prepared service. Each holds a lit candle, which they bring together to light a third, symbolic of their son.

"With thankful prayers we celebrate the birth of our child," says Dale, tears filling his eyes. "We have come through a time of anxiety and stress into strength and joy. May we be worthy of the blessing in the gift of this child."

"Because our child this day enters into the covenant of our fathers and mothers," Chris says, "we cherish the hope that his life will be enriched with Torah, marriage and good deeds."

With his hands on Seth's head, Cohn blesses him with the Hebrew name Shate Yisrael and says, "May this be a name which brings honor to our people, joy to his family and fulfillment to himself."

Cohn concludes the religious part of the celebration by performing a commitment ceremony for Chris and Dale. Among other things, he asks God to prosper in their life together and teach them to share life's joys and trials.

"May love and companionship abide within the home they establish. May they grow old together in health and in contentment, ever gratified to you for the union of their lives."

The commitment ceremony fulfills their desire to have their relationship celebrated in a religious setting. The Liuzzas dream of a day when they can be legally married, and to make a statement about how important the issue is to them, they follow up their Temple Sinai ceremony with a visit to the Louisiana State Office Building to apply for a marriage license.

Officials are cordial, even pausing to admire Seth, but the law's the law, and they tell the Liuzzas that unless gay marriage is legalized in Louisiana, they will not be able to obtain a license.


# # #

August. While Chris, a chemical engineer, is working, Dale often takes Seth to see his grandparents. Sometimes they just go for walks in the neighborhood or to a nearby park.

Observers' reactions have been mostly positive, the Liuzzas say. But there was a recent encounter when an elderly woman, noticing how well Dale was interacting with Seth at a supermarket, complimented him on his parenting skills. She proceeded to ask about his wife, and when he told her that Seth had two fathers, that there was no mother, she walked away.

"She couldn't look at me anymore," Dale says. "One second I'm the greatest parent in the world and she finds out that Seth has two daddies, and she wants nothing to do with me."

# # #

October. It's 8:30 p.m. on a Tuesday night, and Dale and Chris are watching the World Series while their son sleeps. Dale isn't really interested in baseball, but he's so exhausted that he plops on the couch.

"What a day," he says, recounting that Seth fell and hit his head while trying to climb up a built-in shelving unit. Dale had scooped him up in a panic, strapped him in his car seat and rushed to the pediatrician's office, where he was reassured. Seth would be just fine.

In an hour or so, Dale and Chris will gently rouse Seth from his sleep, check the bruise on his head and give him a bottle.

The Liuzzas are nowhere near ready for a second child, but they say another baby is definitely in their future. They already have commitments from Seth's egg donor and surrogate to help them expand their family.

"Never in a million years did I think being a parent was a viable option for me," Chris says while trying to tempt Seth with his 10 p.m. bottle.


As Seth grows up, the Liuzzas plan to share with him the story of his unique birth. And while the egg donor wishes to remain anonymous, they are all in favor of Seth someday meeting the woman who delivered him.

He may get the chance in January. The Liuzzas are planning a huge party for Seth's first birthday, and Angie Oliver is hoping to be there with her own family. "She adores him," Dale says.

When the Liuzzas look around at their network of family and friends, they trust that their son will grow up to be a well-adjusted, loving, good-hearted child.

And a smart one.

"Our next door neighbor is a palm reader," Dale says, "and she says he's going to be a scientist or a doctor.

"He could be a ballerina or a baseball player. We'll love him no matter what he does."


Nov. 22, 2004


(Barri Bronston is a staff writer for The Times-Picayune of New Orleans. She can be contacted at bbronston@timespicayune.com.)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Louisiana
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To: Incorrigible

This is outrageous that two men would have the wherewithall to raise a boy. They're probably so wound up in after shave and designer belts in the morning to make sure the kid has a bowl of Froot Loops! That's where a woman should step in. In the least, they should hire a nanny to take care of details like making beds and checking the weather before the boy heads off to school. God knows the "fathers" are probably already wearing "rubbers" in case of rain.

Completely disgusting. God bless that little boy as he realizes what happened to his Country after 2000! Tort reform is hardly enough to reverse the decline of our standards. Let's hope our President can put the pieces together and take us back to the post WWII era of baby boom and economic explosion!


61 posted on 11/23/2004 7:55:25 PM PST by BushOneVoter
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To: Incorrigible
I want to make sure we get the softest ones, Dale says, trying to decide between Pampers and Huggies. Ok, who talks like this? Come on. I've never even heard women talk like that. Just thinking of some guy saying this gives me the creeps.
62 posted on 11/23/2004 7:58:55 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: JudyinCanada
Just thinking of some guy saying this gives me the creeps.

It should. Homosexuality is a mental disorder.

63 posted on 11/23/2004 8:05:48 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: Lizavetta
Oh I agree, it's close to that already in MA. And parenting by gays is even more wrong than marriage. It's sickening! How can this country allow our children to be put into a situation like that? And in this article, a boy no less! He has a real chance for a normal life! NOT!!
64 posted on 11/23/2004 8:06:09 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: JudyinCanada
Ok, who talks like this?

The same pervert who's offended that a Baby Einstein video is rated "Mom's #1 Choice".

65 posted on 11/23/2004 8:08:28 PM PST by workerbee
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Revolting! Nauseating. And just like these perverts! Part of what they want passed, is laws allowing for prostitution, homosexual sex in public bathrooms, lowering of minimum age for consent, and man/boy love.

Real nice environment for kids to be in. Anyone promoting this is guilty of neglect and abuse as far as I am concerned.


66 posted on 11/23/2004 8:12:53 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Yaelle

There is a way out.

67 posted on 11/23/2004 8:15:07 PM PST by harbinger of doom (Last time I checked)
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To: Jorge

Barf

No one is buying it.


68 posted on 11/23/2004 8:18:14 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Siamese Princess
This is true is sadly true. However we hear about that all the time ad nausea. I am simply looking for "Fairness and Balance".
69 posted on 11/23/2004 8:18:21 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Jorge

It's not okay that we relegate children to the status of commodity just so homosexuals can play out their fantasies of normalcy.


70 posted on 11/23/2004 8:24:40 PM PST by workerbee
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To: workerbee
It's not okay that we relegate children to the status of commodity just so homosexuals can play out their fantasies of normalcy.

The status of commodity was put on children with the first case of artificial insemination. Couples can now go to a fertility clinic and buy sperm or an egg and even have another woman carry the baby until birth.

In the end you may be able to end gay adoption but you will never be able to prohibit a fertility clinic from selling a baby's necessary ingredient.

71 posted on 11/23/2004 8:35:02 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: Incorrigible

I agree with you, they should, but won't.


72 posted on 11/23/2004 8:36:07 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: workerbee
It's not okay that we relegate children to the status of commodity just so homosexuals can play out their fantasies of normalcy.

I agree 100%.

But let's not pretend that a society where single women get pregnant on purpose or are artificially inseminated in order to play out their Mommy fantasies at 45 years old, we should be shocked that gays are doing the same thing.

73 posted on 11/23/2004 8:36:15 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Yaelle

"You do not have to be heterosexual to be a good parent. I know a lot of you don't like hearing that, but it is true."

The problem with this thinking is that it is the affluent, educated white gay and lesbian couples who are doing this now, because they have the resources. But, like life after Roe v. Wade and the Pill, when this behavior gets the stamp of government approval, you will have people from all walks of life trying this on for size. After Roe and the Pill, the rate of illegitimacy soared, as well as child abuse and neglect. Now nearly 75% of poor children are illegitimate. Think how conditions will be if any two people can have children and insist on their "rights" and taxpayer-supported "reproductive services" -- only to descend into chaotic and abusive behaviors when the going gets tough. I don't want to be around to watch this. Maybe secession isn't such a bad idea, after all.


74 posted on 11/23/2004 9:04:11 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Sentimentality is loving people more than God would." --Oscar Wilde)
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To: Yaelle

"I have two couples in my social life that are gay male parenting couples, and both children are thriving. Both children are better off than if they had been with their druggie 'mothers.' "

The other problem with this thinking is that liberal ooze has long dominated the social work industry -- another fiefdom of leftism. Before the 60s came and ruined our nation, bad mothers weren't given chance after chance to ruin kids' lives. If they messed up, the child was taken away and given for adoption to families that wanted kids. And there were orphanages, like the one Dave Thomas grew up in (the founder of Wendy's). That was back when people knew right from wrong, didn't coddle criminals, and morality wasn't a bad word.


75 posted on 11/23/2004 9:09:36 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Sentimentality is loving people more than God would." --Oscar Wilde)
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To: madprof98
Well, your little anecdote proves that gay parenting is great! Big mistake on God's part to have imagined that kids need mommies and daddies. Just another cosmic goof!

Naw. It's just a little anecdote. But there are worse kinds of parents than two good conservative gay people. Think of the straight parents who send their kids into the lake in their carseats, or chop off their arms, or bury them in concrete... Loving parents are best.

76 posted on 11/23/2004 11:02:55 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Lizavetta
In fact the more bold they become in their 'acceptance of' behavior (read: promotion, indoctrination) the more brutal the retaliation will be when society finally snaps. And it will.

What sort of retaliation? Violence against gays?

77 posted on 11/23/2004 11:04:30 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

"Think of the straight parents who send their kids into the lake in their carseats, or chop off their arms, or bury them in concrete... Loving parents are best."


Once again, apples to oranges. The percentages of biological parents who do this sort of thing are only a small percentage of all parents, and it is a smaller percentage than the percentage of gays or lesbians who abuse their children.

Dozens of recent studies continue to show that children who grow up with their biological parents outperform children from all other types of parenting situations in their physical, academic, social and emotional adjustment. Stop thinking only in stereotypes, and look at the big picture, backed by research. A mom and a dad are the best combination for the state to affirm as parents of children.

A few individual homosexuals may do as well as natural parents, but comparing the few high-achievers in this "trial promotion" period is not an appropriate way to evaluate a marriage policy for the entire nation. After the spotlight is off, standards may decline precipitously, especially if NAMBLA's agenda of promoting adult/child sex as its next item of business were to follow legalization of gay marriage.


78 posted on 11/23/2004 11:29:28 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Sentimentality is loving people more than God would." --Oscar Wilde)
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To: Yaelle

"What sort of retaliation? Violence against gays?"

Yaelle, you are right to question this post. It would be reprehensible for people to take the law in their own hands or to commit violence. But it is something I often worry about for two reasons: first, the gay movement's determined use of the courts to force this decision on a majority Christian country is a little like passing a law mandating that all Orthodox Jews must now eat pork because pig farmers feel excluded from 14th Amendment protections. It just isn't right to force people to violate their conscience with the same Constitution that guarantees their right to that conscience in the first place.

Second: when you research the claims made by the gay rights movement that were instrumental in propelling it to greater visibility, you find Big Lies, such as Kinsey's claim that homosexuals are 10% of the population (wrong -- 2.5% at most, and some of those are bisexuals) and the American Medical Association's methodology behind declaring homosexuality "not a disorder" -- it was a political decision due to internal pressure from gay doctors, not a scientific decision based on research. And the AMA went on to suppress further research, especially any type of recovery therapy.

There are many more examples I could give as to why the rallying cries of the movement are based on false premises and lead vulnerable people into believing that they are the victims of bigotry, when in fact they are the victims of their own eagerness to believe things that are not true and never were true.

Going forward, even in the best of circumstances and conditions -- even if a socialist totalitarian government like the one the gay rights educational lobby wants to impose were to take over completely, homosexuals will always remain a very small percentage of the population. Reproduction depends on material from a male and a female, and most people would prefer the old-fashioned way. Those are the folks who have most of the babies and bring them up, teaching them by example what genders are, and what they are supposed to be.

Instead of understanding the true proportion of their minority status and adjusting accordingly, gays and lesbians are trying to take on 98% of the society and convert them to gay orthodoxy. Most people truly are tolerant, and that is why they have been silent from the 60s until this election. But the push-back has started, and this election's many plebiscites against gay marriage are one indication that Americans will use their legal franchise to uphold the best conditions for their children and grandchildren's future.

The Reconstruction period after the Civil War is an example of the dangers we face as a society. Immediately after the Civil War, former slaves enjoyed more freedom and even held public office in various locales. But cultural tensions soon gave way to ugliness -- too much change, too soon, and an overinterpretation of Lincoln's objectives in ending slavery, which stopped far short of overnight integration. To be truthful, we have not achieved integration to this day, nearly 140 years later. I'm not endorsing this situation, but I am observing its reality.

If I were to move to Italy tomorrow, I could not in good conscience expect to force the Italian government to provide English-language instruction for my children, silence the church bells in the steeples, or print my telephone bill in English. Why? Because I would be part of a very small minority. That's an irreducible condition of humanity. Sometimes you're the dog, and sometimes you're the hydrant. Our American commitment to equality is to provide opportunities, not guarantee outcomes.

Most Americans have moved far beyond the violence that characterized the Jim Crow era which followed Reconstruction (and which will be a blot on our history forever). But resistance to gay indoctrination in schools can be expected, via legislation or organized protests. Excluding homosexual parents and children from private social events, children's birthday parties and neighborhood play dates is another reaction gay parents can expect. Soon, gay "families" will have to ghettoize themselves to avoid the exasperation of biological families who do not subscribe to gay orthodoxy and cherish their freedom of association.

Women also tried to force equality through the ERA in the early 70s, and it failed. Although some women have become more visible, the average pay of women still lags behind men, after 30 years of politicking. The gay rights movement is going to have to accept some limitations and some compromises. Clearly, their goals are not dear to most people, and they are outright offensive and sinful to many people. This is not going to go away, just as opposition to abortion cannot go away, for the same reason: it violates the sacred covenant between humans and their Creator.

And just because a minority of Americans don't believe in a Creator doesn't mean there isn't One.


79 posted on 11/24/2004 12:08:13 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Sentimentality is loving people more than God would." --Oscar Wilde)
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I don't like the way they rear their kids.


80 posted on 11/24/2004 12:11:35 AM PST by Bon mots
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