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Terraforming Mars, The Noble Experiment?
Space Daily ^ | July 13, 2004 | Interview w/Robert Zubrin

Posted on 11/22/2004 11:23:47 AM PST by RockinRight

Mars Society founder, Robert Zubrin, talks about how to terraform the red planet. His engineer's eye reveals his robust plans for not just getting to a new home, but also how to build one from scratch. As a former Martin-Marietta aerospace engineer, prolific author and founder of the non-profit Mars Society (1998), Robert Zubrin is regarded as the driving force behind the proposed Mars Direct mission to reduce the cost and complexity of interplanetary travel.

The flight plan calls for a return journey fueled by rocket propellant harvested in situ, from the martian atmosphere itself.

As described in Zubrin's book, The Case for Mars: The Plan to Settle the Red Planet, the Mars Direct concept eventually became a cornerstone of a frugal 'living off the land' approach to travel in NASA's Design Reference Mission.

The Design Reference Mission (DRM) covers Earth launch to Mars landing, Mars cruise to Mars launch, and Earth return. The mission entails sending cargo ahead, docking the crew at the space station, then meeting up with the stashed supplies once on Mars.

"For our generation and many that will follow, Mars is the New World," writes Zubrin.

The New York Times Book Review (Dennis Overbye) indicated how such an outline initially was greeted as breaking conventional wisdom about martian mission plans:

"Part history, part call to arms, part technical manual, part wishful thinking, The Case for Mars ... lays out an ingenious plan. ......one of the most provocative and hopeful documents I have read about the space program in 20 years."

The Mars Society continues to grow across many countries with thousands of members interested in space advocacy, particularly how best to encourage the exploration and settlement of Mars.

Notable among the Society's members are science-fiction author, Greg Benford, and Academy Award winning director, James Cameron.

Astrobiology Magazine had the opportunity to talk with Robert Zubrin about the possibilities for terraforming Mars.

Astrobiology Magazine (AM): First off, should Mars be terraformed?

Robert Zubrin (RZ): Yes.

AM: Does Mars contain all of the elements needed to make the planet habitable, or will we have to import gases, chemicals, etc., from elsewhere?

If so, then will Mars always need constant inputs to achieve habitability, or do you think that given enough inputs Mars would reach a tipping point and planetary processes would create a self-sustaining feed-back loop?

RZ: It appears that Mars does have all the elements needed for terraforming. The one outstanding question is nitrogen, whose inventory remains unknown.

However theory suggests that Mars should have had an initial supply of nitrogen comparable to the Earth, and it seems likely that much of this is still there.

AM: How long will terraforming take? When you envision a terraformed Mars, what do you see?

RZ: If one considers the problem of terraforming Mars from the point of view of current technology, the scenario looks like this:

1. A century to settle Mars and create a substantial local industrial capability and population.

2. A half century producing fluorocarbon gases (like CF4) to warm the planet by ~10 C.

3. A half century for CO2 to outgas from the soil under the impetus of the fluorocarbon gases, thickening the atmosphere to 0.2 to 0.3 bar, and raising the planetary temperature a further 40 C.

This will cause water to melt out of the permafrost, and rivers to flow and rain to fall. Radiation doses on the surface will also be greatly reduced.

Under these conditions, with active human help, first photosynthetic microbes and then ever more complex plants could be spread over the planet, as they would be able to grow in the open.

Humans on Mars in this stage would no longer need pressure suits, just oxygen masks, and very large domed cities could be built, as the domes would no longer need to contain pressure greater than the outside environment.

4. Over a period of about a thousand years, human-disseminated and harvested plants would be able to put ~150 mbar (millibars) of oxygen in the Martian atmosphere. Once this occurs, humans and other animals will be able to live on Mars in the open, and the world will become fully alive.

That's the scenario, using current technological approaches. However technology is advancing, and 23rd Century humans will not conduct their projects using 21st Century means. They will use 23rd Century means and accomplish the job much faster than anyone today can suppose.

So if someone in the 24th Century, living on a fully terraformed Mars, should discover this interview, I believe that she will view it in much the same way as we today look at Jules Verne's lunar mission design.

We today look at Verne's ideas and say "Amazing, a man living a hundred years before Apollo foresaw it - and not only that- launched his crew of three from Florida, and returned them in a capsule landing in the Pacific Ocean where they were picked up by a US warship, all as things actually happened.

But launching people with heavy artillery - how 19th Century can you get?"

So our 24th Century Martian historian studying this interview will smile and say; "Incredible. Here are people 300 years ago talking about terraforming Mars. But doing it with fluorocarbon gases and green plants -how 20th century can you get?"

AM: Who should the first human colonists to Mars be and how should they be chosen? Since Martian gravity is one-third of Earth's, wouldn't bone and muscle loss, along with radiation, make colonization a one-way journey? What are the implications of what, from an Earth-perspective, is exile?

RZ: Life is a one-way trip, and we are all permanently exiled from our past. In that sense Mars colonists, and all colonists, are no different from anyone else. It is just more apparent in their case, as in addition to leaving behind the time of their past, they also leave behind the place.

But in so doing, they gain the opportunity to create a world where none existed before, and thus gain a form of immortality that is denied to those who are content to accept the world they are born in.

AM: If there's life on Mars, how do we balance the Martian right to life with the human impulse to explore and extend our borders?

RZ: The basis of ethics needs to be of benefit to humanity. If there is life on Mars, it is microbial, and its interests can in no way be considered as commensurate with human interests. Those who argue otherwise strike a fashionable pose, but deny their arguments every day through their actions.

If bacterial interests trump human interests, then mouthwash should be banned, chlorination of water supplies should be banned, and antibiotics should be banned. If bacterial interests trump human interests, then Albert Schweitzer and Louis Pasteur should be denounced for crimes against bacteria.

Now, in saying that ethics must be based in human benefit, we need not deny that preserving valuable environments in important.

It is important to save the amazon rain forest, for example, because a world without an amazon rain forest would be a poorer inheritance for our descendants than one with one, and the degree of the impoverishment exceeds whatever value might be obtained in the short term from slash and burn agriculture.

However, in the case of Mars, the calculation votes the other way, as a terraformed Mars, filled with life, cities, universities, used book stores, and yes, rain forests, would be a vastly richer gift to posterity than the current barren Red Planet.

Clearly, just as anyone who proposed transforming the current Earth into a place like Mars would be considered mad, so those who, given the choice, would keep Mars dead rather than make it a place as wonderful as the Earth must have their sanity doubted.

There remains only the question of science. Surely we should avail ourselves of the opportunity to study native Martian life before we terraform the place.

We surely will. Terraforming Mars will be a long term project, and should native Martian microbes exist, there will be ample opportunity to study it before terraforming takes place. There will also be opportunity to study how it adapts to warmer, wetter conditions and the presence of terrestrial microbes after terraforming takes place.

Furthermore, if Mars actually is terraformed, there will be much more people on Mars to study every aspect of Mars, including both its native and immigrant life. So in fact, our knowledge of Martian biota will be increased by terraforming, not decreased.

AM: Humans sent to live on Mars will bring with them ideas on how to govern themselves, rules of conduct for living in society, economic motivations, and personality conflicts.

How should the colonization of Mars be managed, and how should Mars be governed? Should the colonization of Mars be a cooperative effort among every nation, or should only those that financial contribute be in charge of the operation?

RZ: The Founding Fathers of the United States called our infant republic a "Noble Experiment," a place where the grand liberal ideas of the Enlightenment could be given a run, and the idea of a government based on the rights on man could be tested to see if it could succeed in practice.

Their Noble Experiment did succeed, and as a result became the model for a new and better form of human social organization worldwide.

Mars can, should, and will be a place for numerous new Noble Experiments. The well of human social thought has not yet run dry, nor do I believe that we have yet discovered the ultimate and most humanistic form of society possible.

In the 22nd Century, as in the 18th, there will always be people who think they have discovered a better way, and need a place to go where the rules haven't been written yet so they can give their ideas a try. For these, the Martian frontier will beckon.

Many of their ideas will prove impractical, and their colonies will fail. But some of those who really have a better idea will succeed, and in doing so, light the way forward for all humanity.

So, to answer your question, I say that the colonization of Mars should not be managed at all, but be done through the joyful chaos of human freedom.

AM: Taking a leap into the future, let's assume the technology, biology, sociology, and politics have all combined to create a unique sub-race of humanity on Mars. Generations of human beings have now been born, grown, bred and died on Mars. Who are these Martians?

RZ: In 1893, the great historian Frederick Jackson Turner wrote:

"To the frontier the American intellect owes its striking characteristics. That coarseness of strength combined with acuteness and inquisitiveness; that practical inventive turn of mind, quick to find expedients; that masterful grasp of material things, lacking in the artistic but powerful to effect great ends; that restless, nervous energy; that dominant individualism, working for good and evil, and withal that buoyancy and exuberance that comes from freedom - these are the traits of the frontier."

I think that says it all. The pioneers of the Martian frontier will be the Americans of the future.


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To: sc2_ct
I didn't think that Mars had a molten core, and thus no strong magnetic field to protect it. Would the increased distance from the Sun be sufficient, or would terraforming and colonizing Mars simply lead to a civilization of Anemic pale guys with Melanoma?

I've given that question plenty of thought, too. Mars' distance from the sun reduces the amount of hard UV. But as it is now, the amount of UV reaching the surface is pretty nasty. Thickening the Martian atmosphere may result in an ozone layer, but that's a long term prospect that may or may not be feasible.

There is also the question of shielding the surface from cosmic rays without the presence of a strong planetary magnetic field. And on that, I'm drawing a complete blank.

81 posted on 11/22/2004 3:37:06 PM PST by FierceDraka ("Megatons Make It Fun!")
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To: RockinRight
Cooling Venus could be accomplished by unfurling a giant shade or filter and hanging it between Venus and the sun.

By comparison, terraforming Venus makes the idea of terraforming Mars look as simple as doing some landscaping work around the yard.

One brute-force method I came up with to thin-out the Venusian atmosphere is to simultaneously air-burst tens of thousands of high-megaton fusion bombs and just blast all that CO2 out into space. What a spectacular view that would be from Earth! Venus flaring up like a nova, then turning into the biggest damned comet ever seen as its atmosphere is blown outward by the solar wind.

82 posted on 11/22/2004 3:48:20 PM PST by FierceDraka ("Megatons Make It Fun!")
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To: RockinRight

Yes, I think terraforming Mars, and planets in general, will be an activity that may eventually happen if a sustainable rationale can be found for it.

There are some very competitive concepts, such as Gerard K. O'Neill-type colonies, that could prove far more practical,economically and politically to build.


83 posted on 11/22/2004 3:50:38 PM PST by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: RockinRight

ping


84 posted on 11/22/2004 4:06:35 PM PST by chmst
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To: RockinRight
First develop space elevators and nuclear propulsion. At $10,000 per pound, terraforming Mars would bankrupt the entire planet.
85 posted on 11/22/2004 4:15:35 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: RockinRight

These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise, on a mission to seek out new life, new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before. Prime directive be damned.


86 posted on 11/22/2004 6:19:48 PM PST by mission9 (Be a Citizen worth dying for in a Nation worth living for!)
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; sionnsar; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; jimkress; ...

87 posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:25 PM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: trenton1776
If there is a ID God, his first two commandments would be 1. Thou Shalt Not Leave the Earth 2. Thou Shalt Not Travel Fast. We can infer these commandments simply from the way the universe is made.

God also gave us the carbon-carbon bond which holds promise for building a space elevator to hoist material into orbit as routinely as visiting the observation deck of the Empire State Building, and the uranium and thorium atoms which hold enough energy to supply American-style consumption until the Sun burns out and propel craft to Pluto in back in less time than it used to take to travel to North America.

88 posted on 11/23/2004 8:03:20 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: orionblamblam
Back to you.

How do you come to have a house? Did you fight off every drunken bum that wants to camp in your yard? What, no drunken bums in the yard? Why not? Of course the state had nothing to do with that most felicitous condition.

89 posted on 11/23/2004 12:07:04 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale

> What, no drunken bums in the yard? Why not?

Because the heads of the last three who tried are impaled on stakes out front, slowly rotting, the crows pecking their dead eyes out.

How'd you work out?


90 posted on 11/23/2004 12:45:15 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

Where did you get the stakes?


91 posted on 11/23/2004 12:48:28 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale

> Where did you get the stakes?

They were bums. They had sticks with all their stuff in bags hanging from the ends of them, carrying said sticks over their shoulders. A few whacks with a machete, and the sticks made decent stakes.


92 posted on 11/23/2004 2:41:34 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: FierceDraka

> thin-out the Venusian atmosphere is to simultaneously air-burst tens of thousands of high-megaton fusion bombs and just blast all that CO2 out into space.

Sadly, that's not liekly to be effective... the atmosphere will just ride along in orbit with Venus, and largely "rain" back down.


93 posted on 11/23/2004 2:44:20 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

You took their property? Is that different in principle from them taking your property?


94 posted on 11/23/2004 5:20:40 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale

>You took their property?

They didn't seem to need it.

> Is that different in principle from them taking your property?


Well, cops didn't do anything to stop it...

I'm sure there's a point here, somewhere, but I don't see it. Property rights in space, treaty or no, will be up to those who can defend their claim. Trash the OS Treaty, and some yutz could lay claim to the entire Moon. Who will defend that claim? Won't be the US gubmint.


95 posted on 11/23/2004 5:58:10 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
Who will defend that claim? Won't be the US gubmint.

If the Feds do as instructed, withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish private property rights in outer space, yes, they will. It won't be difficult.

96 posted on 11/23/2004 6:02:06 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RockinRight

Well, what are we waiting for let's go!


97 posted on 11/23/2004 6:07:42 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: orionblamblam
Screw Mars and Venus, We should be heading to Mercury

* The Craters at the poles are permanently shaded so you don't have the temperature extremes

* Mercury is about ½ the mass of Mars and 1/6 that of Venus with less of an atmosphere than both so to blast off the surface would require less fuel.

* It's on average closer to Earth than Mars so you wouldn't have the total distance to and from as you would with Mars.

* Venus can give a boost both going and coming to Mercury(remember Venus boosted Cassini onto Saturn)

* There is Hydrogen and Oxygen in the atmosphere and surface of Mercury so you can make fuel, breathable air or water unlike Mars where you can't make any of those out of Rust.

* There is water ice in the craters near the poles so we wouldn't have to carry as much on the journey

* Being close to the sun and being a very dense planet there are probably lots of heavy metals so the Mining opportunities are limitless

* There is Helium in Mercury's atmosphere and in it's rocks (where there is most likely a lot) and unlike Earth's Helium the much of the Helium on Mercury is probably in the form of He³ which is potential fuel for (cold?)fusion.

98 posted on 11/23/2004 6:58:29 PM PST by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: RightWhale

> If the Feds do as instructed...

BUAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
> yes, they will. It won't be difficult.

What, you mean like how they protect private property rights now, through the miracle of Emminant Domain, "wetlands" protections, and all the rest? No thanks. A private army would be a better, safer bet.


99 posted on 11/23/2004 7:58:22 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: qam1
Mercury is about ½ the mass of Mars and 1/6 that of Venus with less of an atmosphere than both so to blast off the surface would require less fuel.

The problem is then you have to get out of the Sun's gravity well, and that's no mean feat. The probe they're sending to Mercury is going to take years to get there, since it has to match Mercury's much higher orbital velocity.

100 posted on 11/24/2004 6:17:54 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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