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Hey more imigrants working legally in this country means more tax dollars I guess. Still think it is just wrong.
1 posted on 11/19/2004 8:57:24 AM PST by Independentamerican
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To: Independentamerican

what is bush thinking?


2 posted on 11/19/2004 9:00:28 AM PST by treffner
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To: Independentamerican

You're damn right it's wrong.


3 posted on 11/19/2004 9:01:33 AM PST by wdkeller
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To: Independentamerican

Concern that immigrant workers compete with U.S. workers for scarce jobs is equally mistaken. Most immigrant laborers fill positions that U.S. workers pass over — retail and service-sector jobs that pay low wages and require little skill.
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True Statement. I agree with the President. This needs to be done and will be a boom for the economy without loosing American jobs.


5 posted on 11/19/2004 9:02:22 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/summary.htm)
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To: Independentamerican

How about postind national guard troops along the border to stem the flow of illegals into this country. We should also empower the INS to deport illegals when they catch them.


6 posted on 11/19/2004 9:03:31 AM PST by jperspective
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To: Independentamerican
"The plan, designed to grant temporary legal status to millions of undocumented aliens.."

Yeah, 'temporary' legal status..., right.

8 posted on 11/19/2004 9:04:29 AM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: Independentamerican

He basically do nothing to protect our borders, it's easy to fight a war overseas but it's another thing entirely to actually protect the borders. That is a battle no one dare face, that is, until it's too late.


10 posted on 11/19/2004 9:06:23 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Independentamerican
These measures to ultimately grant amnesty are unavoidable.

The Mexican immigrants have become an official organ in our monetary system. They are being welcomed as "mules" to export inflation, just as the drug trade uses "mules" to transport drugs or money.

For every Mexican receiving a paycheck, at least $.49 is spent in the US; to get a money order to send as much back home as possible to finance another illegals trip to the promised land.

No more money than is absolutely necessary is spent withing the US. This is a crucial link in the current erosion of the US Monetary System to conceal runaway inflation from the American public.

This did not start on Bush's watch, nor will it end on his watch. It has become as crucial to keeping our money system going as breathing is to human life.

Illegal immigrants are just as crucial as the trade deficit in the process of managing the US's #1 export; inflation.
11 posted on 11/19/2004 9:07:22 AM PST by Dalite (If PRO is the opposite of CON, What is the opposite of PROgress? Go Figure....)
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Concern that immigrant workers compete with U.S. workers for scarce jobs is equally mistaken. Most immigrant laborers fill positions that U.S. workers pass over — retail and service-sector jobs that pay low wages and require little skill.

Thats a crock. Unless anyone thinks construction jobs are also "jobs no American wants"!

Gee maybe the under-the-table, less than minimum wage and zero health benefits has something to do with Americans not wanting these jobs, ya think???

12 posted on 11/19/2004 9:07:42 AM PST by Walkin Man
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Is there any way we can petition for a wall to be built? Are there national referendums? I'd gladly pay for a damn wall. I want the Mexicans who actually have skills businesses want and those that are willing to assimilate into our culture. I don't want the drugy and dumb Mexicans. You can't choose if you have no control.


13 posted on 11/19/2004 9:07:53 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Independentamerican
I'm not comfortable with a lot of the implications of this program but we have essentially come to one of two options, unless we plan to just ignore illegal immigration, which could be devastating. Option one is that we can completely militarize the border with Mexico. That is an incredibly expensive proposition that forces us to surrender one of the key tenets of the American way of life in which our military traditionally does not play a police role on American soil. Option two is to try to change the culture of immigration, which the President's plan addresses. The major downside of the proposal is that we all understand that many workers securing these permits will not return, but we will at least have a legal record of them and it might not be quite so easy for them to "stay underground" as it is for completely undocumented workers. And there will be some progress in that Mexican workers who begin contemplating moving to the U.S. may be able to forestall that decision by getting back on their feet with temporary work in the U.S., making it easier for them to remain in Mexico.

By no means is the President's plan perfect. But faced with the difficult alternatives as we now are it appears to me that it is the best we can do.
17 posted on 11/19/2004 9:10:20 AM PST by StJacques
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I wouldn't be so opposed to this if I thought that the mass illegal immigration was going to be stopped, or at least seriously curtailed. With no real efforts at border security, much less shutting the border down like it should be, this is only going to increase the waves of illegals sweeping into our country.

Borders. Language. Culture.
21 posted on 11/19/2004 9:15:21 AM PST by Thrusher (Remember the Mog.)
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To: Independentamerican

Not just No. HELL, NO!


23 posted on 11/19/2004 9:16:53 AM PST by reelfoot
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To: Independentamerican

Deport all Muslims!


24 posted on 11/19/2004 9:17:02 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: Independentamerican

This is totally wrong and stupid. We already have as many illegals working in this country as we have unemployed citizens. Illegals aliens send billions of dollars out of our country that should circulate in our economy to create more jobs and a healthy financial future for our citizens. The huge pool of easily exploited workers drives wages and benefits down and erodes the strength of our nation. Also they intend to allow illegals to collect social security and further weaken a system whish is being destroyed by congress stealing the trust fund dollars and spending them on things like foriegn aid.
Being here illegally is law breaking. Since when does breaking laws merit a reward? How many murders would a serial killer have to commit in order to be rewarded and made a hero rather than sent to jail? Whith this ignorant mentality it looks like there is a great future in a carreer of bank robbery.
It seems that the main requirement to be sent the congress or become president is to be totally stoned or stupid.


28 posted on 11/19/2004 9:18:41 AM PST by lobo59
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And, precisely, what makes you think we'll enforce a temporary permit more than no permit? Will the INS deport illegal aliens who don't get a work permit?

I don't see this making a bit of difference unless enforcement is taken seriously, and then you're right back where we are now, with cries of racism being leveled at every attempt to boot some alien who doesn't have their work permit.


29 posted on 11/19/2004 9:18:42 AM PST by frgoff
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Does anyone know what the members of the house of representatives are proposing instead of this worker program?

Also, is there any way to start up a petition to have the American people vote on whether we should wall up the border?

I wouldn't mind the worker program and it could actually help us but its worthless if the border isn't secured and illegals and companies who do business with illegals aren't punished.

32 posted on 11/19/2004 9:21:19 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Independentamerican

Read later.


33 posted on 11/19/2004 9:23:40 AM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: Independentamerican
Security concerns make less sense with the Department of Homeland Security in place. And, to put it mildly, immigrant laborers are an unlikely source of terrorism.

Yes, but they are a major concern for law breaking. Over 30% of our current prison population are illegal immigrants.
41 posted on 11/19/2004 9:28:15 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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I believe, you are wrong. Illegal workers doesn't pay taxes. Usually they get money under the table. Illegals can't get SS number, so they can't pay taxes. their goal is to get so much as is possible and send it to home without share for Uncle Sam
46 posted on 11/19/2004 9:32:08 AM PST by Potomac
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Any politician suggesting amnesty of any type should be subjected to a recall or impeachment...George Included!!!


59 posted on 11/19/2004 10:05:07 AM PST by politicalwit (They want your vote... but not your voice.)
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