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To: Independentamerican

Concern that immigrant workers compete with U.S. workers for scarce jobs is equally mistaken. Most immigrant laborers fill positions that U.S. workers pass over — retail and service-sector jobs that pay low wages and require little skill.
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True Statement. I agree with the President. This needs to be done and will be a boom for the economy without loosing American jobs.


5 posted on 11/19/2004 9:02:22 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/summary.htm)
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To: traviskicks
Most immigrant laborers fill positions that U.S. workers pass over...

Yes. Much better to have those U.S. "workers" drawing welfare than working at jobs that require work.

9 posted on 11/19/2004 9:05:26 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: traviskicks
Without certain actions, the President's guest worker proposal, AKA."amnesty program", is an effort in futility.

Three things need to happen that will help to solve America's illegal immigration problem. First, the feds have to make an honest effort at sealing the borders shut, once and for all. Second. There must be full enforcement of existing laws that punish employers for hiring illegals. And finally, the feds must end any and all government welfare funding to illegals.

Above all, NO policy agenda to control and reduce illegal immigration into the US will ever work, unless the borders are slammed shut first.

14 posted on 11/19/2004 9:07:58 AM PST by Reagan Man ("America has spoken")
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To: traviskicks

Aren't these same jobs the ones that we are seeing as increasing? How does that help the economy if the new jobs are going to immigrants?


16 posted on 11/19/2004 9:10:05 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: traviskicks
"Most immigrant laborers fill positions that U.S. workers pass over — retail and service-sector jobs that pay low wages and require little skill."

This is total B.S. There are a great many college kids out there looking for employment who can't find work close enough to their colleges. There are also families looking for second jobs for help with mortagages and bills, and there's plenty of LEGAL aliens emigrating from poor countries who would fill these jobs. This utter nonsense about there not being enough American citizens to fill all the jobs out there is just plain ridiculous, as is the claim that Americans would not fill the jobs that would be left vacant by ILLEGALS if they were deported.

18 posted on 11/19/2004 9:11:57 AM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: traviskicks

I don't know what neck of the woods you live in....but here in my state illegals are taking ALL the "entry level" jobs in housing, construction, heating HVAC, Plumbing, Autobody repair, etc.

What this does in effect is to screw all the (American) tech school grads out of jobs. These grads, many who have trained for 4 years in their chosen trades, are left to scramble for cheesy check-out clerk jobs in Walmart and Stop-N Shop.

Once again, King Jorge is just screwing more Americans.


19 posted on 11/19/2004 9:12:28 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: traviskicks
The reason the retail and service sector jobs pay so little, is their are people willing to work for these low wages. There are plenty of people that need to work, like high school students, and those on welfare etc.

If GW wants to have a guest worker program, FIRST stop the influx of the illegals, or the guest workers will have to compete with those willing to undercut their wages. We would have a vicious cycle, with an insoluble problem. Those immigrants here legally will have last pick, followed by guest workers, and of course the new illegals with the advantage of needing less money to live, because of the social net they would enjoy.

20 posted on 11/19/2004 9:12:48 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they are all cockaroaches)
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To: traviskicks
"Most immigrant laborers fill positions that U.S. workers pass over — retail and service-sector jobs that pay low wages and require little skill."

Alternate statement:

Most immigrant laborers fill positions in the retail and service sectors which require little skill. This allows employers to pay exceedingly low wages for these jobs - wages lower than what an American worker can afford to take - because illegal immigrants will live in conditions far below the American standard of living. If it were not for the illegal immigrants willing to take these jobs at extremely low pay, American companies would be forced to offer reasonable wages for these positions; wages that American workers could afford to take. This would decrease unemployment in the work force, maintain the standard of living for Americans, and allow our capitalist economy to function as it should: without a poison pill.

These people broke the law. They're here illegally. If you want more people here, change the immigration laws to allow more to come into the country legally. All illegal immigrants - every last one - must be jailed and/or deported, and prevented from re-entering the country illegally. Our borders must be secured or we will not survive the WoT.
26 posted on 11/19/2004 9:18:18 AM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: traviskicks

The only reason the jobs are low paying is because there's a large number of illegals willing to do them. In other words an artificial and undesirable increase in available labor. Remove the illegals and the wages will go up.

Round them up and kick them out.


27 posted on 11/19/2004 9:18:40 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: traviskicks

This is a canard. Illegal immigrants, whether working at minimumu wage or accepting something less to avoid being reported, displace workers at the lowest level of the employment rung. This is either the poorest or the young. This has been a long standing excuse by the unfettered immigration/no borders lobby. If you consider who constitutes the lowest rung, entry level demographic, this concept is fundamentally racist.


49 posted on 11/19/2004 9:38:52 AM PST by Tucson
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To: traviskicks

I agree as well. They're coming anyway so we may as well be sure they're documented.


62 posted on 11/19/2004 10:09:16 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: traviskicks

What happens after these workers have been Americanized and Unionized? Someone will let them know they are victims of oppressive corporations. Someone will tell them they shouldn't work for such a low wage, that they are "victims." Then there's health care, benefits, etc.

All because some "unemployed" Americans are too good to work at such menial jobs.

How about we build all the factories along the border, bus 'em in every day, then bus them back home at night? They get paid in the U.S., pay taxes in the U.S., but live in Mexico?

Simplistic, but a starting point for the long term. I'm not advocating, just bringing it up.


68 posted on 11/19/2004 10:17:32 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media is Enemy #1. The Bureaucracy is Enemy #1.5.)
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To: traviskicks
This needs to be done and will be a boom for the economy without loosing American jobs.

Except, the program won't work and will not help the ecomomy.

197 posted on 11/19/2004 1:19:33 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: traviskicks

"True Statement"

BS!!

Illegals are getting wages that are $20/hr and more. There are a lot of citizens that would love to get those wages. These bastards have driven the wages down to where I can't charge more than I was making over 20 years ago.


225 posted on 11/19/2004 5:24:15 PM PST by dalereed
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To: traviskicks

WRONG!

Most VISIBLE "immigrant workers" (INVADERS!) work jobs that "U.S. workers pass over". Everyone knows about and sees the "farm worker's", while ignoring the invaders increasing presence in the "good" jobs!

The ones taking the good paying ($15 hr. and more!) jobs in construction, manufacturing, etc., are "out of sight - out of mind" and conveniently forgotten by the invaders apologist!

Time to make ALL illegal entry a FELONY on FIRST offense, and to put some real teeth into laws against hiring illegals.


239 posted on 11/19/2004 7:32:59 PM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: traviskicks
retail and service-sector jobs that pay low wages and require little skill.

If there weren't a glut of foreign labor, employers would be forced to offer higher wages, and then Americans wouldn't pass these jobs over.

250 posted on 11/19/2004 8:37:44 PM PST by curiosity
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