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To: naturalman1975
It just amazes me that Creationists get away with using the normal conflicts in science to poke holes in Evolution. But they want to replace it with what? 6000 year history? Or is it Evolution with a designer? Which designer? Where is he? Where is evidence of a designer except by poking holes in Evolution?

Creationists have no leg to stand on to criticize Science, because they can't get their story straight on exactly what it is they believe.

My personal belief is that God used Evolution as His preferred toolbox. I see no conflicts. But I do see damage done to the conservative movement by Creationists. And I also see damage done to some faithful people who participate in this Evolution argument and decide that there is no God.

Religious Creationists and IDers are being stupid to disbelieve Evolution in the first place because there is a huge amount of evidence to support it. And they're being stupid because it harms their stated goal of bringing people to God. They're Double stupid.

5 posted on 11/17/2004 7:22:06 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
"A thing is not proved just because no one has ever questioned it. What has never been gone into impartially has never been properly gone into. Hence scepticism is the first step toward truth. It must be applied generally, because it is the touchstone."

   - Denis Diderot (1713 - 1784)

6 posted on 11/17/2004 7:38:59 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: narby
Yep. You're right. God got it all wrong and really messed up with the Scriptures. He just doesn't know what He is talking about.

We should listen to the Darwinists instead. They have their own pet theories, none of which are provable and are constantly changing. They certainly know what they are talking about.

7 posted on 11/17/2004 7:39:21 PM PST by Gritty ("Bush's redneck America is a more reliable long-term bet than enlighted Europe-Mark Steyn)
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To: narby

Once circumnavigation of the globe occurred, the religious zealots caught on to the idea that the world was no longer flat. It took that sort of proving to get many to question their understood truth that the world was flat.

I'm curious; what would have to be proven or disproven for you to question evolution? Or is it possible to shake your belief in evolution? This question requires no response, just a thought on the topic.

Thanks for your attention.


8 posted on 11/17/2004 7:46:26 PM PST by TitansAFC (Al Gonzales for SCOTUS? Let's just nominate Arlen Specter.)
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To: narby

"Religious Creationists and IDers are being stupid to disbelieve Evolution in the first place because there is a huge amount of evidence to support it. And they're being stupid because it harms their stated goal of bringing people to God. They're Double stupid."


Your comments just proved that people do not evolve to higher levels.


9 posted on 11/17/2004 7:55:45 PM PST by worldclass
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To: narby
"My personal belief is that God used Evolution as His preferred toolbox. I see no conflicts..."

Look again. Two opposing views. One built on chance the other on intent.
10 posted on 11/17/2004 8:02:38 PM PST by Mulch
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To: narby
You do understand the event that caused some schools to throw evolution, as presented, in the trash bin, where Darwin himself said it belonged if no supporting evidence was forth coming.

Yes, a species will adapt to it's environment, but not all species derived from the same basic organism.
60 posted on 11/17/2004 10:56:55 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: narby

"My personal belief is that God used Evolution as His preferred toolbox. I see no conflicts. "

Here's what really gets the creationist's panties in a bunch. They don't believe their God is omnipotent! ! Because an omnipotent God could surely use evolution as a tool if he pleased. Their God can only create things through illogical miracles (if they were rational miracles - like evolution - creationists would no longer consider them to be mystical).

Truthfully, the creationist rage is sooo boring at this point. It matters not one twit whether we evolved from apes or were formed in place, the same moral dilemmas exists either way, the soul still needs to be saved.

I have no problems either way. But the creationists whole believe structure collapses if they have based their whole existence on this minor issue.


97 posted on 11/18/2004 12:28:37 AM PST by FastCoyote
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