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SAS ace defends trooper (“Every soldier has a right to defend himself")
thesun.co.uk ^ | 11/17/04 | MARTIN PHILLIPS

Posted on 11/17/2004 3:54:24 AM PST by notkerry

A WOUNDED US soldier seen on TV shooting dead an Iraqi prisoner was defended last night by SAS hero Andy McNab.

The US marine — shot in the cheek earlier — machine-gunned the man in the head as he lay bleeding in a mosque in Fallujah.

The soldier feared the Iraqi was pretending to be dead to draw him into a trap.

Just before the killing, a fellow GI yells: “He’s f***ing faking he’s dead!”

Walking away ... victim is obscured by fellow captive after burst of gunfire

The marine faces a murder probe.

But McNab — who has stared death in the face — said: “It’s easy for people sitting comfortably in their armchairs in front of the TV to take the moral high ground.

“They are not there in Fallujah, in that killing environment.

“We don’t know what is going through that marine’s head. The Iraqi could have been hiding a weapon or explosives.

Grisly ... the shot prisoner - on the left - lies dead in Fallujah mosque

“Troops are fighting an enemy that doesn’t stick to any rules.

“The insurgents use mosques to launch attacks. They come out under cover of a white flag, then attack the Americans. They plant booby-trap bombs on dead bodies.

“Every soldier has a right to defend himself, and if that is a grey area — then so be it.”


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americanhero; defendingothers; fallujahmarine; mediatrash; queerchrissy; sas; slanderngprivateryan; terrorist
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To: Jambe
That guy has got to believe he's wearing a huge target everywhere he walks!

He probably doesn't "get it".

Not only are these photo bozos in the way during combat, they don't go into the building "first".

I have to imagine that the marines are "communicating" with the tag-alongs now. And I bet they all get the message, but they still probably don't "get it".

21 posted on 11/17/2004 4:32:38 AM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: Diogenesis

We only need one NEWS company, FNC.

Anyone that watches news broadcast from ABC,NBC,CBS, is asking to be duped. Track records don't lie.


22 posted on 11/17/2004 4:34:43 AM PST by halfright (3,000 Americans murdered 9/11, Never forgive, never forget, be on guard!)
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To: Tom Bombadil; Jambe
Don't you think that blaming the guy who just happened to be there with a camera is a little bit crazy? He didn't for the marine to shoot him. What was he supposed to do? Not report it?

Blame the Bush admin. for allowing these guys there in the first place.

23 posted on 11/17/2004 4:36:35 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Tom Bombadil
I have to imagine that the marines are "communicating" with the tag-alongs now. And I bet they all get the message, but they still probably don't "get it".

Sounds like you're saying that the 'tag-alongs' got the memo, but haven't read the 'meaty' part yet.

24 posted on 11/17/2004 4:42:59 AM PST by woofer
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To: raybbr

Damn straight Mr. Troll we do expect the guy to throw that film in the trash. It isnt news that we are killing the enemy and it isnt his job to try to hang a marine.

Is this media guy a target ?I dunno , I do know if I was in this marines outfit I wouldnt feel too bad if the terrorists got him.


25 posted on 11/17/2004 4:43:27 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (Why did you send me here if you dont want me to kill the enemy?)
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To: RedEyeJack

Snakes, rats, rabid dogs and weasels do not come under the Geneva Conventions!

Shoot 'em twice!


26 posted on 11/17/2004 4:44:51 AM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: OwnershipSociety

So if an insurgent/terrorist/trained monkey was shown shooting a wounded marine in the face that would be ok?


27 posted on 11/17/2004 4:49:06 AM PST by Polka Dots and Stripes
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To: sgtbono2002
Damn straight Mr. Troll...

LOL.

28 posted on 11/17/2004 4:49:13 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Polka Dots and Stripes

So if a rabid dog or a snake was biting a wounded marine would that be okay? Is that what you are asking?.

What would not be okay would be for a Marine, upon encountering a rabid dog or snake, to walk away without shooting it to death.

Wouldn't be a good idea for you to come out against the young Marine.


29 posted on 11/17/2004 4:51:48 AM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: raybbr

You are an idiot. The problem is that NBC aired this knowing that it would incite more terrorism. The report could have been made, and the video saved for another time, but the video itself does far more harm than good to our troops and Operation Iraqi Freedom.


30 posted on 11/17/2004 4:54:00 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (As socialists formed trade unions against employers the ACLU formed against the U.S.)
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To: notkerry
The mistake was the same one Medina and his superiors made at My Lai
Shoulda MOAB'd the place last year

Then the media has no where to go....

This MOUT with embedded hostile left wing anti American military reporters is political suicide

pure stupidity

A corpsman and another grunt had been killed days before by Iraqi and foreign terrorists pretending to be dead or wounded needing assistance....

Everybody in Fallujah is a terrorists....EVERYBODY everybody else was told to get out weeks ago...only terrorists are left....and that is against whom we fight...The press knows this...the anti war crowd knows this...yet they continue to use every lie every trick to turn both muslim and Americans at home against our troops...

Every dead body is a potential booby trap and every wounded is still capable of doing the kind of killing they all swore they would do.....Suicide bombing....live grenade (pins pulled) under their bodies...or other hidden weapons...they pretend to be dead pretend to be wounded...they cry out for help and when the corpsman shows up they kill him..or those pulling security for him.

The terrorists said they would sucker Americans in...using their Christian compassion against them

Just as the embedded Marxists use the GIs survival against them

Our enemies foreign and domestic have us in their crossfire..

One uses our compassion against us...then if we defend against that...the other uses our survival against us...in the press

When we must realize it and act upon it...the press is our enemy...as much so as our Islamic terrorists...

imo
31 posted on 11/17/2004 4:55:18 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: Sirc_Valence

No. The problem is the Bush administration allowed him to be there. And people like you, when confronted with the truth, call others names.


32 posted on 11/17/2004 4:59:45 AM PST by raybbr
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To: notkerry

If the Marine felt his life was in danger, he had every right to shoot the enemy.


33 posted on 11/17/2004 5:07:38 AM PST by MarshallDillon (<<<Clickhere to RECALL Austin Mayor WILL WYNN -(a double-taxer).)
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To: notkerry
The raghead that got re-shot was not a "prisoner", he was not in the custody of the Americans. He was wounded, but he was still alive enough to be a combatant.

If the second platoon would have taken him into custody without incident, then he would have been pacified, and would be a prisoner.

Pacified means unable to offer any resistance. Until he is pacified, he is still a combatant, wounded or not. A wounded man, especially one bent on martyrdom in the first place, is a potential threat until they are rendered unable to offer resistance. And that's the shooter's call. If the Marine felt threatened, he's got a green light to shoot.

Tough luck for the dead jihadi.

34 posted on 11/17/2004 5:15:39 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: notkerry

I can just imagine the outcry if the "dead" terrorist was left there only to attack and kill some marines an hour later.

Then the same marine would be in trouble for not doing his job by making sure the enemy was dead.


35 posted on 11/17/2004 5:20:47 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: notkerry

“We don’t know what is going through that marine’s head. The Iraqi could have been hiding a weapon or explosives."

.........it's kill of be killed.


36 posted on 11/17/2004 5:21:01 AM PST by Gucho
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To: DB

The soldier did what he had to do, was sent to do. the fault is with the camera and the cameraman...they shouldn't have been there.


37 posted on 11/17/2004 5:34:12 AM PST by Big Digger (If you can keep your head when others are losing theirs, you must be a Republican)
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To: notkerry
But McNab — who has stared death in the face — said: “It’s easy for people sitting comfortably in their armchairs in front of the TV to take the moral high ground.

Hear that Chrissy Matthews

Also .. I couldn't help but notice yesterday, that a few embeds when asked to give their opinion on the matter would not throw judgment on this Marine soldier.

38 posted on 11/17/2004 5:35:11 AM PST by Mo1 (I'm back to hating Democrats .)
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To: Route101

This is the part I don't understand. The Marine shot the one wounded guy who was pretending to be dead. Why not shoot the other wounded bad guys to if he was just a murderin' maniac. This guy pretending to be dead must of triggered a defensive response from the Marine.

I trust the military will see it this way too. I hope anyways.


39 posted on 11/17/2004 5:39:50 AM PST by Edison
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To: JudyinCanada

Very well put.


40 posted on 11/17/2004 5:41:06 AM PST by mouske (Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself.)
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