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Animal task force shows claws
Breederville ^ | Nov 15, 2004

Posted on 11/15/2004 6:47:38 AM PST by Calpernia

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To: Seadog Bytes
That looks like an East European Shepherd in the photo, probably Czech.
41 posted on 11/17/2004 1:04:42 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Seadog Bytes
Now HERE'S a dog (KNPV Dutch Shep).


42 posted on 11/17/2004 1:07:33 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Thanks! You've obviously got better eyes than I do.
43 posted on 11/17/2004 1:42:35 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (Benedict Arnold was ALSO a 'war hero'... before he became a Traitor!!!)
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To: Seadog Bytes
Birkenstocks...LOL! That's a great pic bro, says it all!



Thanks for the logo Safrguns!

44 posted on 11/17/2004 5:06:26 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Islam is a religion of peace. Strange every murdering psychopath in the world is attracted to it.)
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To: Calpernia

It is comforting to see that New Jersey has apparently reduced the human crime rate to the point where they can afford to expend this many resources on "crimes" against animals. Congratulations to all Garden State Freepers - you apparently now live in an idyllic state free from crimes against the person.


45 posted on 11/17/2004 5:14:40 PM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: LiberalBassTurds
Thank you Sir!

WHOA! Great 'likeness' of Kerry, with that LOGO!!! ...NAILED him!

Well... as long as this appears to be an 'animal' thread...
...can I share this 'RINO' pic with you, too...?


46 posted on 11/17/2004 6:10:24 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (Benedict Arnold was ALSO a 'war hero'... before he became a Traitor!!!)
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To: Seadog Bytes
Thanks Seadog. LMAO on the RINO's! :^)



Thanks for the logo Safrguns!

47 posted on 11/17/2004 6:36:29 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Islam is a religion of peace. Strange every murdering psychopath in the world is attracted to it.)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 11/17/2004 8:01:02 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Yes Ma'am.


49 posted on 11/18/2004 4:15:03 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (Benedict Arnold was ALSO a 'war hero'... before he became a Traitor!!!)
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To: LiberalBassTurds

RE: "Thanks Seadog. LMAO on the RINO's! :^)"
...Not too 'over the top'???


50 posted on 11/18/2004 4:20:56 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (Benedict Arnold was ALSO a 'war hero'... before he became a Traitor!!!)
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To: Calpernia
I'm involved in cat rescue. Some of this article is good, most is crazy. Yes, there are people who horde cats and others who horde newpapers. Horders are everywhere. There are a lot of things that can be done to STOP the overpopulation besides what most rescuers, like myself, are doing and trying to legislate. For instance:

All pet stores should be prevented from selling animals unless those animals are already neutered. Now, I'm really talking about cats, bunnies and dogs more than anything else. I don't see too many guinea pigs on the streets peeing on our cars' tires.

Irresponsible pet owners buy a cute little bunny for their children or grandchildren for Easter and then, after the first cage cleaning, dump it on the streets. I have three that I have rescued. (No "shoot 'em and eat 'em stories, please.) :-) These are domesticated bunnies for pets.

I believe that trapping, neutering and returning a feral cat is much smarter than removing it to be euthanized. Why? Because they'll maintain the cat colony that already exists, especially when there's a food source such as a dumpster. If you remove the cats you'll just get more in their place. If you trap/neuter/return it's a win, win. You won't have the males crying all night for the females, you won't have cats looking for food (especially if you have someone like me who feeds them at night.) The cats actually control our mice and roach population which I can prove from the treasures one of mine have brought home.

For those of us who love animals and watch how badly they are treated and abused, we understand that something has to be done. I do believe in euthanasia for the hundreds of thousands that the shelters can't house, but there are ways that aren't being implemented that can reverse this over-population. If you don't like animals, or cats, then you probably couldn't care less.

Animals should never be revered the same as human life, but that doesn't mean they deserve to suffer either. I have a soft heart for cats especially so I'm currently working on my own little corner of the world (the alley). Have had two breeder female cats spayed and returned and I'm in the process of finding homes for two litters. Feral kittens are easily socialized if caught early enough, and feeding ferals only helps to keep them healthier. Most of them suffer horribly from mange and ear mites and end up dying from upper respiratory infections. It's actually rather sad.

The other issue is breeders. It's out of control and needs to be better controlled.

These people have their hearts in the right place but, like PETA, tend to become overly emotional and/or militant. We do need some changes to current laws about selling fertile animals and there are many from other cultures who haven't got a clue. A dog is purchased to sit on a rope forever. They throw a little food and water at it and that's it. A bunny sits in a cage too small to even move around in and they think that's humane. Come on......

51 posted on 11/18/2004 5:56:40 PM PST by libertylass
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One other thing....it would be nice if somehow us rescuers had a place to go for help in financing our work. Most of us take in more animals than we save, because many times we get calls like..."Come and get this pit bull or I'm gonna kill her. She ate her puppies." Only to find out the caller was lying and that he just didn't want the mother after she had her pups that he wants to sell. The horros stories are endless. We spend alot of our own money trying to make a dent in the ocean of need.


52 posted on 11/18/2004 5:59:40 PM PST by libertylass
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To: libertylass

This is an interesting approach.

Ok, how about all pet stores can retail neuters and spayed.

If someone needs breeding stock, than they need to see a breeder?

I'm a home breeder of rabbits for therapy. They are dwarfs used in counciling sessions with psychiatrists and therapists.

In the local news recently, a naive man bought a pair of bunnies for pets. within a few months, he was infested with some 70 bunnies. They burrowed into his furniture and more.

But, now that I lend it more thought, a friend of mine ended up with a similar problem with gerbils. She started with a pair and ended up with over 100.

This does need some more thought.

The task force working on this here in NJ are of unreasonable extremes and politically motivated.


53 posted on 11/18/2004 6:06:40 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Want three bunnies? I have a Rex (I've been told--I'm not a bunny expert) and a sweet little female lop-ear. I also have an "I don't know what" and he's a doll baby. I just don't like having to deal with the cages. It's enough with all the kittens and cats.

Good for you and your work. Bunnies WOULD be very therapeutic I would think. Their fur is very pleasing to the touch and they have usually very sweet and timid personalities. Makes the nurturer come out in those of us with the soft hearts.


54 posted on 11/19/2004 11:46:01 AM PST by libertylass
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To: libertylass; Calpernia; Poohbah

I don't like animal abuse, because those who abuse animals eventually move up the food chain.

That said, I do NOT like some of these "mandatory spay/neuter" policies. People can make their own calls on this just fine - they don't need government going all nanny-state on them.

That said, I'm a guinea pig person myself who's had cats also grow on him to an extent. One thing I've thought about as a hobby down the road is being a guinea pig breeder, so I am going to try to keep the option of that hobby open down the road (I admit self-interest on my part).

So let's work on dealing with the abusers, and leaving the rest of the folks alone. I'm all for enahncing the penalties for animal abuse, etc. But at the same time, let's CLEARLY define what abuse is (for instance, I hear terms like "puppy mill", but it seems there's no definition of a "puppy mill" - it comes down to "I know it when I see it" and that is NOT how I think our laws ought to be written).


55 posted on 11/19/2004 12:04:11 PM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: Calpernia
Animal Welfare Taskforce Report

56 posted on 03/02/2005 1:37:46 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya! Kill babies, Save the Bears!!)
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To: Coleus

Bump


57 posted on 03/02/2005 1:44:42 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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