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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; gop; prolife
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To: CWOJackson

So when folks like Howlin and others lable us "nutjobs" and "extremists" what does that make them? And when they LIE about us, then what?


901 posted on 11/13/2004 9:44:06 PM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses

The platform says many things and we all know the purpose of a platform. I want to know when Bush said that he'd work in THIS TERM to overthrow Roe v. Wade. It's just a simple question.


902 posted on 11/13/2004 9:44:08 PM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: TChris

What if the GOP had reverted to lip service for votes??

In the not so distant future, the possibility exists, it appears, that we could be talking candidly about how GOP smokescreens were set up to create the appearance of being pro-life, whilst holding a King Arlen up their sleeve.

Unless the GOP's highest leadership is in the habit of 'midguiding' prominent national Christians during the campaign...

All what ifs at this point - but remember how clever the Rove GOP (think Alberto Gonzalez) was regarding CFR! /s


903 posted on 11/13/2004 9:44:16 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: tpaine

This thread has been very interesting to follow, especially because it's an old argument that hasn't seen the light of day in a long while. It's good to be reminded again of where we all stand on the basic issues.

Glad to be back a bit more.


904 posted on 11/13/2004 9:45:08 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: EternalVigilance
If we left the GOP, the GOP would cease to exist.

ROFLMAO.

In a word, no.

And as I said up the thread, you "real, true conservatives" haven't managed to come up with a candidate who can WIN so you need US for ACCESS to the POWER.

905 posted on 11/13/2004 9:45:35 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: narses
So who elected YOU spokesman

Or spokescuckoo... Hildy really seems to have this THING about keeping Roe intact

906 posted on 11/13/2004 9:45:45 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: Hildy

"and we all know the purpose of a platform."

Really? Tell us then, is it to trick foolish Catholic voters into supporting the GOP even though Specter will protect abortion? A simple question Hildy, what IS the purpose of the GOP platform?


907 posted on 11/13/2004 9:45:52 PM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses
"So when folks like Howlin and others lable us "nutjobs" and "extremists" what does that make them?"

Scared.
908 posted on 11/13/2004 9:46:10 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution

Oh, please. In your dreams.


909 posted on 11/13/2004 9:47:50 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

In a word, no.

And as I said up the thread, you "real, true conservatives" haven't managed to come up with a candidate who can WIN so you need US for ACCESS to the POWER

>>>

Ok, now I have to question your sanity/memory.

What planet or rock have you been on the last few years?

We've delivered nothing BUT victories, save Alan Keyes - a train accident that couldn't get going...a good man, but not called to win in Illinois (IMO).


910 posted on 11/13/2004 9:49:17 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Howlin
Did you move to Illinois?

I learned some time ago, the hard way, not to give personal information to your crowd.

911 posted on 11/13/2004 9:49:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: narses
When I have people post things such as "people like you" and accuse me of voting for the likes of Obama, and asking if I can sleep at night?

I guess the term nutjob and extremist comes to mind easily enough for me.

912 posted on 11/13/2004 9:50:21 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: ApesForEvolution

Which candidate has the extreme right produced that won the presidency?

Pat Buchanan?


913 posted on 11/13/2004 9:50:27 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

Wasn't Pew research one of the ones who misjudged the outcome of the election?


Nevertheless, the Kansas City Star says the Pew information confirms that more Catholics and Evangelicals turned out and more of them voted for the President:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/10122797.htm

""Catholics represent about a quarter of the electorate, or about 31 million voters this year, and Bush had aggressively courted them, particularly in battleground states.

The president got a noticeable boost from white Catholics, whose support rose to 56 percent from 52 percent four years ago. He also did better among Hispanic Catholics, who turned out in larger numbers and gave Bush 44 percent of their vote, up from 35 percent in 2000.

Because turnout rose overall this year, analysts were not concluding that the Catholic help nationally was the decisive difference for Bush. About 80 percent of white evangelicals went for the president, delivering him about 20.6 million votes, or about 1.3 million more than in 2000.

Catholics are hardly a monolithic bloc. Catholics who said they did not attend Mass weekly - and who outnumbered observant voters - preferred Kerry, 50 percent to 49 percent.""


914 posted on 11/13/2004 9:50:37 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Howlin
Did you move to Illinois?

I'll let you in on a little secret... there's something called a freeper home page... that's not a California flag that EV is flying there...

915 posted on 11/13/2004 9:53:18 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: hocndoc
Because turnout rose overall this year, analysts were not concluding that the Catholic help nationally was the decisive difference for Bush.

Exactly what I said up the thread; all across the boards between 5 and 9 percent per demographic.

About 80 percent of white evangelicals went for the president, delivering him about 20.6 million votes, or about 1.3 million more than in 2000.

If that number is right, and since Bush is honing in on 62,000,000 votes, that's less than a third; hardly a "mandate" from which Evangelicals can demand anything.

916 posted on 11/13/2004 9:55:14 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: The Red Zone

Well, he WAS living in D.C. not long ago. I suppose he's one of the GOP "insiders" who brought Keyes to Illinois? I never knew that!


917 posted on 11/13/2004 9:56:13 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Hildy


The President only has *this term.*


918 posted on 11/13/2004 9:56:53 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Howlin
And as I said up the thread, you "real, true conservatives" haven't managed to come up with a candidate who can WIN so you need US for ACCESS to the POWER.

Unlike you, I supported all the pro-life Republican candidates...in other words almost all of them across the USA.

So I would say that my candidates won.

Unlike you, we maintain a large measure of loyalty, even though the left wing of the party has no such scruples.

And your reference to power is a telling one. Like most of your type, power is about the only thing that might move you. And even that sometimes won't overcome your bitterness towards conservatives.

919 posted on 11/13/2004 9:58:27 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Howlin

No Howlin...it was bobdole...

(bobdole voice)

"Uh-huh...ahhh, abortion in the GOP platform?

Uhhhh, what GOP platorm?"

[chuckles with the RAT media follow; the next sound you hear is bobdole's campaign going down the crapper]


920 posted on 11/13/2004 9:59:55 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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