PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

[Aloysius88]

Dear friend,
We are not talking about unleashing the entire power of the U.S. gov't. for our single cause. I'm sure the Republican party and the U.S. gov't can walk and chew gum at the same time. We are asking for one measly Senator to be kept from a position of responsibility. Not kicked off the committee or out of the Senate or out of the country or out of the boat or hung, drawn, quartered, burned at the stake, or even having his wrist slapped. Just not chairman of the Judiciary committee. Is this too much to ask?

[Skywalk]

I agree on the Roe v Wade thing, I'm just saying the way to win even some liberals on your side is to lower the volume a bit on the rhetoric and try to win each step using moral suasion so that people are more accepting of LEGAL limits, not just self-imposed moral restraints.

[AlbionGirl]

Here's the rule: you were allowed to draw breath, it therefore is incumbent upon you to protect all those about near or about to do the same. An embryo is an embryo when he or she doesn't want it, as soon he or she does, that embryo is immediately transformed into a baby. How do you like that for Utilitarianism?

There is something particulary loathesome about people who instead of arging that abortion might be, sometimes, a necessary evil, argue that it is evidently, plainly nothing at all. Those people help pave the road to hell, IMO. If you don't have the right to life, what else is there?

[AndyJackson]

we can start working state by state

I do support making this a states rights issue. I don't see anything in the Constitution that makes this a Federal issue. I do have a question though? When abortion is unlawful in Red State X and lawful in Blue State Y, and a resident A of X goes to Y to have an abortion, can state X prosecute A for murder. Can X demand extradition from Y for A?

You need to think this through because New York and Maryland, and Massachussetts and Washington State at a minimum will remain abortion "havens" for the foreseeable future.

[narses]

You essentially equate women with Mengele and the KGB assassins, when they are nothing alike.

No he doesn't. He equates ABOTIONISTS with Mengele and the like. Women obtaining abortion are more akin to the German people lied to about the "resettlement" of the Jews - morally blind victims of a Big Lie.

[Amelia]

I didn't say I supported abortion. I don't.

Nor am I a single-issue voter, and nor am I going to cut off my nose to spite my face.

I also tend to think that abortion is at least as much of a "hearts and minds" moral issue as it is a legal issue. For instance, drugs are illegal, but there is still a booming trade in drugs, and drugs are still easily obtained in most areas. The solution is to reduce demand, IMO, and that can only be done by changing hearts and minds.

[Skywalk]

Sorry to offend you, but when I said "no place making policy" I mean that the people who find no hyperbole they won't employ and no distinctions they are willing to make, are generally extremists who are not going to win converts, achieve reasonable objectives and the like. And perhaps most importantly, if you want to find one way of completely alienating people from the cause: Suggest banning all abortion from conception to birth.

[free_life]

I agree.

GOP hear us! Step up to the plate, we are watching and waiting, even life time conservatives like myself.

[badmrbunny]

let's pull our soldiers out of iraq, have them come here and blow up abortion clinics. declare martial law. name abortion doctors as enemy combatants- line them up and shoot them in the head. i figured some of you need a little violence to go along with your fascism.

[sweetiepiezer]

Bump

[AndyJackson]

We are not talking about unleashing the entire power of the U.S. gov't. for our single cause.

The opening salvo of this thread did just that. It declared war on all other republicans and the sentiment is to take their marbles home if they don't get instant gratificaion. In fact, nothing else can happen until they get their way.

[WifeMotherDaughterSister]

reference

[Skywalk]

LOL

No one on this thread who has said that this is a Holocaust(or worse) has been able to merely answer straight out. According to any law in the US, were Jews being dragged off the street and executed we'd be empowered to stop it with lethal force.

So, if this is WORSE(lol) than that, certainly they support killing abortion doctors, nurses, those financing abortions(meaning the fathers or families) Right? Bring the troops home, Fight the war on abortion!

Even where it's illegal, abortion does not go away--fact is, it will likely never go away though we can REDUCE the demand and limit the time frame in which they occur.

[Manic_Episode]

"No offense, but abortion is not the same as gulags, extermination camps, et al."

TRANSLATION:

"As long as someone else is dying, and not me, it's not a gulag or extermination camp."

[TennTuxedo]

I am a Pro-Life Christian man who wants things done right, However, I do understand that there is no such thing as instant gratification in politics.

We can not expect the President to coddle to every demand we make of him based on one issue-no matter how big an issue it is. Change of this magnitude takes time. We can not let this one very important issue blind us to the reality that if we play hardball, we also stand to give this important gained ground back to the enemy and thus push our goals farrther away from being reached. If that is what you want, that is what you risk by expecting instant gratification and immediate change.

A step at a time change is a more realistic approach that is more realistic and will provide a stronger path towards reaching what is the very best for our nation. Pro-Life is important to our natiion and to the world. However, taking our ball home because we don't receive instant grattification will only serve to defeat us if that is how we choose to play.

[narses]

"Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born,"

No, we recognize that a BIG LIE has been perpetuated. We see the apologists for infanticide every day, even here on FR.

"Stop making pretend it's anything like gulags, because it isn't."

It is to Orthodox Catholics and many other people of faith. That YOU buy the Big Lie doesn't mean we ALL buy it.

"If it were, people would at least FEEL that way about it(even if they felt powerless to act),..."

Go to DC in January for the March For Life -- you'll see almost one million people Marching in PROTEST over the judicial imposition of this holocaust on America. 45,000,000 Catholics are bound together by our Faith, in that Faith we KNOW abortion is evil murder. Nominate Rudy Guliani for President and watch us vote for the third party candidacy of a Pat Buchanan or an Alan Keyes. Go ahead, but do NOT blame us for the return of the left to the WH, don't expect us to carry your water ever again if you betray us on this most critical issue.

[Tantumergo]

"It's kind of insulting to me that an egg that was just fertilized=my mother in terms of its value."

Your mother WAS an egg that was just fertilized. If her mother had decided that she had limited value at that stage, then not only would she not exist, but neither would you, nor your children and their children.

The only difference between that "fertilized egg" and the poor little girl in #73 is a short period of time - 24 weeks.

[kjvail]

penalty for abortionists and pregnant women

Same as the penalities for pre-meditated murder and murder for hire.

s the male who finances the abortion (the presumptive father) an accessory?

No, he's guilty of murder-for-hire, first degree in all states

Do we seek the death penalty?

Absolutely

So, since you are going to use the power of the state to solve this abortion problem, do you support the reexpansion of the welfare state to take care of the social problem.

The welfare state encourages abortions

Welfare and Abortion Mix Too Well

Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born, whether you are moral in your approach it is a far different issue than Death camps

It is you that refuse to see, America will not reject abortion til America sees abortion

[jern]

if the democrats were smart, they would let republicans overturn roe v wade so that republicans would never show up at the polls again. It would be like the dog catching the car.

[Spiff]

I can only conclude that you agree with murdering abortionists and blowing up clinics--and how do I come to this conclusion? Easy. You actually say gulags and extermination camps are not as bad a thing as abortion(patently silly, but let's go with it) and I know that any of us would feel empowered to stop an extermination camp where Jews or anyone else was being liquidated and we'd kill the death camp guards and whoever was doing the killing, right? So you approve of killing abortionists, you'd HAVE TO.

I work within the law, of course. I believe that abortionists - those who murder innocent children - should be prosecuted and sentenced within the law.

BTW, only a dunce would ever assert that most women who got abortions would kill a live baby(and most wouldn't abort a late-term) Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born, whether you are moral in your approach it is a far different issue than Death camps, and you KNOW THAT.

Those who ran the death camps didn't FEEL that they were killing human beings, just Jews. They PERCEIVED a difference between Jew and non-Jew. They denied the humanity of the Jew, just as you deny the humanity (against all evidence) of the unborn child. They killed the Jews without guilt just as you allow the slaughter of children without guilt. The evil is not abated just because of how people "feel" or "perceive" the evil.

Stop making pretend it's anything like gulags, because it isn't. If it were, people would at least FEEL that way about it(even if they felt powerless to act), but they don't.

Stop rationalizing atrocity because of how you and others "feel" about it.