Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
Dear friend,
We are not talking about unleashing the entire power of the U.S. gov't. for our single cause. I'm sure the Republican party and the U.S. gov't can walk and chew gum at the same time. We are asking for one measly Senator to be kept from a position of responsibility. Not kicked off the committee or out of the Senate or out of the country or out of the boat or hung, drawn, quartered, burned at the stake, or even having his wrist slapped. Just not chairman of the Judiciary committee. Is this too much to ask?
I agree on the Roe v Wade thing, I'm just saying the way to win even some liberals on your side is to lower the volume a bit on the rhetoric and try to win each step using moral suasion so that people are more accepting of LEGAL limits, not just self-imposed moral restraints.
There is something particulary loathesome about people who instead of arging that abortion might be, sometimes, a necessary evil, argue that it is evidently, plainly nothing at all. Those people help pave the road to hell, IMO. If you don't have the right to life, what else is there?
I do support making this a states rights issue. I don't see anything in the Constitution that makes this a Federal issue. I do have a question though? When abortion is unlawful in Red State X and lawful in Blue State Y, and a resident A of X goes to Y to have an abortion, can state X prosecute A for murder. Can X demand extradition from Y for A?
You need to think this through because New York and Maryland, and Massachussetts and Washington State at a minimum will remain abortion "havens" for the foreseeable future.
You essentially equate women with Mengele and the KGB assassins, when they are nothing alike.
No he doesn't. He equates ABOTIONISTS with Mengele and the like. Women obtaining abortion are more akin to the German people lied to about the "resettlement" of the Jews - morally blind victims of a Big Lie.
I didn't say I supported abortion. I don't.
Nor am I a single-issue voter, and nor am I going to cut off my nose to spite my face.
I also tend to think that abortion is at least as much of a "hearts and minds" moral issue as it is a legal issue. For instance, drugs are illegal, but there is still a booming trade in drugs, and drugs are still easily obtained in most areas. The solution is to reduce demand, IMO, and that can only be done by changing hearts and minds.
Sorry to offend you, but when I said "no place making policy" I mean that the people who find no hyperbole they won't employ and no distinctions they are willing to make, are generally extremists who are not going to win converts, achieve reasonable objectives and the like. And perhaps most importantly, if you want to find one way of completely alienating people from the cause: Suggest banning all abortion from conception to birth.
I agree.
GOP hear us! Step up to the plate, we are watching and waiting, even life time conservatives like myself.
let's pull our soldiers out of iraq, have them come here and blow up abortion clinics. declare martial law. name abortion doctors as enemy combatants- line them up and shoot them in the head. i figured some of you need a little violence to go along with your fascism.
Bump
The opening salvo of this thread did just that. It declared war on all other republicans and the sentiment is to take their marbles home if they don't get instant gratificaion. In fact, nothing else can happen until they get their way.
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No one on this thread who has said that this is a Holocaust(or worse) has been able to merely answer straight out. According to any law in the US, were Jews being dragged off the street and executed we'd be empowered to stop it with lethal force.
So, if this is WORSE(lol) than that, certainly they support killing abortion doctors, nurses, those financing abortions(meaning the fathers or families) Right? Bring the troops home, Fight the war on abortion!
Even where it's illegal, abortion does not go away--fact is, it will likely never go away though we can REDUCE the demand and limit the time frame in which they occur.
"No offense, but abortion is not the same as gulags, extermination camps, et al."
TRANSLATION:
"As long as someone else is dying, and not me, it's not a gulag or extermination camp."
We can not expect the President to coddle to every demand we make of him based on one issue-no matter how big an issue it is. Change of this magnitude takes time. We can not let this one very important issue blind us to the reality that if we play hardball, we also stand to give this important gained ground back to the enemy and thus push our goals farrther away from being reached. If that is what you want, that is what you risk by expecting instant gratification and immediate change.
A step at a time change is a more realistic approach that is more realistic and will provide a stronger path towards reaching what is the very best for our nation. Pro-Life is important to our natiion and to the world. However, taking our ball home because we don't receive instant grattification will only serve to defeat us if that is how we choose to play.
"Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born,"
No, we recognize that a BIG LIE has been perpetuated. We see the apologists for infanticide every day, even here on FR.
"Stop making pretend it's anything like gulags, because it isn't."
It is to Orthodox Catholics and many other people of faith. That YOU buy the Big Lie doesn't mean we ALL buy it.
"If it were, people would at least FEEL that way about it(even if they felt powerless to act),..."
Go to DC in January for the March For Life -- you'll see almost one million people Marching in PROTEST over the judicial imposition of this holocaust on America. 45,000,000 Catholics are bound together by our Faith, in that Faith we KNOW abortion is evil murder. Nominate Rudy Guliani for President and watch us vote for the third party candidacy of a Pat Buchanan or an Alan Keyes. Go ahead, but do NOT blame us for the return of the left to the WH, don't expect us to carry your water ever again if you betray us on this most critical issue.
"It's kind of insulting to me that an egg that was just fertilized=my mother in terms of its value."
Your mother WAS an egg that was just fertilized. If her mother had decided that she had limited value at that stage, then not only would she not exist, but neither would you, nor your children and their children.
The only difference between that "fertilized egg" and the poor little girl in #73 is a short period of time - 24 weeks.
Same as the penalities for pre-meditated murder and murder for hire.
s the male who finances the abortion (the presumptive father) an accessory?
No, he's guilty of murder-for-hire, first degree in all states
Do we seek the death penalty?
Absolutely
So, since you are going to use the power of the state to solve this abortion problem, do you support the reexpansion of the welfare state to take care of the social problem.
The welfare state encourages abortions
Welfare and Abortion Mix Too Well
Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born, whether you are moral in your approach it is a far different issue than Death camps
It is you that refuse to see, America will not reject abortion til America sees abortion
if the democrats were smart, they would let republicans overturn roe v wade so that republicans would never show up at the polls again. It would be like the dog catching the car.
I work within the law, of course. I believe that abortionists - those who murder innocent children - should be prosecuted and sentenced within the law.
BTW, only a dunce would ever assert that most women who got abortions would kill a live baby(and most wouldn't abort a late-term) Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born, whether you are moral in your approach it is a far different issue than Death camps, and you KNOW THAT.
Those who ran the death camps didn't FEEL that they were killing human beings, just Jews. They PERCEIVED a difference between Jew and non-Jew. They denied the humanity of the Jew, just as you deny the humanity (against all evidence) of the unborn child. They killed the Jews without guilt just as you allow the slaughter of children without guilt. The evil is not abated just because of how people "feel" or "perceive" the evil.
Stop making pretend it's anything like gulags, because it isn't. If it were, people would at least FEEL that way about it(even if they felt powerless to act), but they don't.
Stop rationalizing atrocity because of how you and others "feel" about it.
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