Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
Thanks for the ping. This is a real hot-button issue, and I agree with the sentiments of all of your posts. We are in the midst of a pendulum swing. Pro-lifers (myself included) dare not DEMAND anything. We elected President Bush. Let's trust him to make the right decisions in this area, beginning with judges. Roe v Wade will not be overturned overnight, but I am happy to say that we have made tremendous strides in EDUCATING the American public on the great atrocity that abortion is, and that, along with sonograms is what is changing the hearts and minds of people. Those with hardened hearts (Planned Parenthood comes to mind) will NEVER change. "A gentle answer turns away wrath." So it is with convincing people that abortion is . . . genocide.
Pre birth control days: That's why prostitutes were invented.
You - funny stuff, right there
You - [post 690] The pro-aborts can't...
While this construction is right out of the loony right talking points, it isn't a grammatical construction. You cannot follow a preposition by a verb and then make a plural of it by adding an "s.".
Dear AndyJackson,
Not all post-viability abortions are PBA. Remember, 22 - 24 weeks is just about the point of viability.
A few more years, and it will be lower than that.
sitetest
It's such an emotionally charged issue. I tend to get overly charged about it some times. Its not that I want women to get abortions, I would rather work towards the roots of the problem rather than tackle it in a military like manner. I feel that it's quite easy to push people away on both sides of this issue. If we are going to reduce the number of abortions it has to be done on a cultural rather than governmental level.
"I support the restoration of Christendom and the social Kingship of Jesus Christ as authoritatively adminstered by the Holy Catholic Church.""
I don't think kjvail was referring to the U.S., its laws, government, people, and land mass as the subjects of that authority, were you, kj?
I have my opinion on my own thank you very much. I am just trying to make conversation like these posts are for. So, thanks for your input.
Though, I couldn't disagree more with this statement:
The very thought that an American citizen would not vote in an election for any reason is repellent to me.
There's no reason to ever encourage the ignorant to vote. That's MTV's job.
I just don't agree with it, I find it rather hypocritical, let God decide when they get to the afterlife when their time comes, it is not for humans to decide, or should not be IMHO.
>The unborn human has rights<
Rights schmites! Let's hope the Peterson conviction of second degree MURDER of his unborn son sets a MIGHTY PRECEDENT AGAINST ABORTION.
Amen
Well I guess I am different in that I don't mind paying taxes to keep a son of a bitch murderer locked up for life rather than get the easy lethal injection way out. It just seems to me hypocritical, and it is not a punishment for the murderer. That person may not go to hell so as long as they confess their sins and believe in the Lord, so why kill them? They are getting the easy way out. Let them sit for years and years and years with no freedom in there, and that IMO, is punishment.
Aborting babies is killing, death penatly is killing a person, even if they did murder. It is still killing someone.
Dear JeffAtlanta,
"Respectfully, I don't think this is true. It makes big news anytime that conservatives try to put any type of restriction at all on abortion."
You'd be surprised. The pro-aborts, even as they fight even the slightest restrictions on abortion, make out to folks that most abortions are for rape or incest, or a mother's life, and that there is a health restriction for later-term abortions.
Well, the states ARE permitted to make a health restriction for later term abortions. That is what Roe v. Wade says. However, lots of folks don't realize that "health," as interpreted by the Supreme Court, is so vast as to be meaningless.
Lots of folks don't really have a lot of solid factual knowledge about the topic. It is a very emotional topic, and often, folks don't even want to hear. I know that I tried for decades to tell my own mother about this stuff. She refused to listen. Just flat out refused. "Woman's body" "Between her god, her doctor, and herself" and all the other unadulterated crap.
Two years before she died, I learned she'd had a complete change of heart, and had come to a position to desire that laws be changed to nearly ban abortion. I asked, hey, what's up?
She said, "Did you know that over 96% of abortions are NOT about life of the mother, rape, incest, or severe deformity?? Many women are using abortion as birth control! Did you know there are over 1.3 million abortions per year in this country??"
I said, "Mom, I told you that 20 years ago."
"No, you didn't!!"
"Well, I tried, you just wouldn't listen!"
"You didn't say it nicely!"
Well, perhaps. Yes, it's all my fault. ;-)
Who knows. From my perspective, she was quite invested in her beliefs about "a woman's body" and all that crap, and just wouldn't listen. But someone, or perhaps Someone, got through to her somehow, some way.
But it's hard. The pro-abortion fascists have done a good job of foisting onto our society, and Western society in general, the entire Big Lie.
sitetest
I can imagine that you guys have scared the bejesus out of the NOW crowd, who would feel that to give and inch is to lose the war. Their fear is rational because that is exactly where you want it to go, and you want to take the women who have abortions and the doctors who perform them and the males who pay for them out and stand them against a wall and shoot them (as I finally got someone to admit 100's of posts ago in this thread).
That sort of "I will burn you at the stake to save your soul" attitude is going to create enemies much faster than it wins friends. It took about 50 years of new-deal liberalism to get us in the mess we are in, and it is going to take a whole lot of time to get us out. Political pendula only swing so fast. Because of the kinds of attitudes expressed right here, the religious right are not very much trusted by a lot of people, who fear that their hell-fire and brimstone speach will lead to a Calvinistic hell on earth. Understanding, kindness, charity, patience and adult behavior would go a long way to calming fears, but that will take time.
It isn't "pro-aborts" that are defeating you. It is your attitude.
Please, professor, enlighten us on the grammatical construction of this train-wreck (from #691):
Perhaps the babies that god butchers are souls so predisposed to corruption and damnation that god decided to end the matter right their he decided to damn the soul to the eternal fires right there. Sound gruesome - get a clue - you guys are not playing with a full deck. Stop pretending you know the will of god. You don't even understand grammar and common sense.
Hey, some of us like to live dangerously and hit the post button before proof-reading. But I don't think that that is your excuse. Also, I am not pretending to any sort of god-like perfectionism.
I admire your spirit of adventure.
It's not an English class. Try to stay on topic. That's if you have any other thing valuable to say.
Dear AndyJackson,
I'd be delighted, as a first step, to ban third trimester, and restrict second trimester abortions.
The problem is that right now, no significant restriction may be placed at all on abortion at anytime during pregnancy, up until and including the moment of birth. Period.
We pro-lifers would be delighted to take our loaf a slice at a time, or our salami that way, too. But because of Roe, Doe, and Casey, we're reduced to fighting at the fringes of the issue. Parental notification (not consent! just notification!). Waiting periods. Informed consent.
Abortion and laws dealing seriously with it have been taken out of the political process and sacralized by seven black-robed bastards who will likely burn in Hell for all eternity. They will likely be joined by the pseudo-Catholic Kennedy and the bastard Souter, as well as the unholy horror O'Connor and the rest of the pro-aborts on the Court.
The damned Left has elevated an entirely unrestricted abortion license to the status of Primary Sacrament of the Progressive Church of What's Happening Now.
To undo this requires either a radically-changed membership on the Supreme Court, or a constitutional amendment. Or maybe a congressional end-run that most folks are kind of iffy about.
All we pro-lifers are asking for is that folks be appointed to the courts, especially the Supreme Court, who do not view Roe as inviolate. After all, that is what the demon, Specter, said about Roe, that it is inviolate, it has the status of Brown vs. Board of Education.
If we pro-lifers cannot even count on a Republican President WITH A 55-MEMBER REPUBLICAN SENATE being able to get folks on the Supreme Court who do not consider Roe inviolate, then we have wasted our time working for Republican candidates, especially presidential candidates.
If the alleged Republican Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee acts on his views that Roe is inviolate, then we have been wasting our time.
That's the bottom line.
sitetest
Yes, I do support the death penalty.
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