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To: sitetest; Skywalk
Yes, we recognize that. The problem with this obnoxiously loud we want it all now argument that your side is carrying on is that the folks you already agree with you 1/2 way. . I.e. I bet few around here would not think Skywalk's program in post 724 is eminently reasonable.

I can imagine that you guys have scared the bejesus out of the NOW crowd, who would feel that to give and inch is to lose the war. Their fear is rational because that is exactly where you want it to go, and you want to take the women who have abortions and the doctors who perform them and the males who pay for them out and stand them against a wall and shoot them (as I finally got someone to admit 100's of posts ago in this thread).

That sort of "I will burn you at the stake to save your soul" attitude is going to create enemies much faster than it wins friends. It took about 50 years of new-deal liberalism to get us in the mess we are in, and it is going to take a whole lot of time to get us out. Political pendula only swing so fast. Because of the kinds of attitudes expressed right here, the religious right are not very much trusted by a lot of people, who fear that their hell-fire and brimstone speach will lead to a Calvinistic hell on earth. Understanding, kindness, charity, patience and adult behavior would go a long way to calming fears, but that will take time.

It isn't "pro-aborts" that are defeating you. It is your attitude.

734 posted on 11/13/2004 4:45:47 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

Dear AndyJackson,

I'd be delighted, as a first step, to ban third trimester, and restrict second trimester abortions.

The problem is that right now, no significant restriction may be placed at all on abortion at anytime during pregnancy, up until and including the moment of birth. Period.

We pro-lifers would be delighted to take our loaf a slice at a time, or our salami that way, too. But because of Roe, Doe, and Casey, we're reduced to fighting at the fringes of the issue. Parental notification (not consent! just notification!). Waiting periods. Informed consent.

Abortion and laws dealing seriously with it have been taken out of the political process and sacralized by seven black-robed bastards who will likely burn in Hell for all eternity. They will likely be joined by the pseudo-Catholic Kennedy and the bastard Souter, as well as the unholy horror O'Connor and the rest of the pro-aborts on the Court.

The damned Left has elevated an entirely unrestricted abortion license to the status of Primary Sacrament of the Progressive Church of What's Happening Now.

To undo this requires either a radically-changed membership on the Supreme Court, or a constitutional amendment. Or maybe a congressional end-run that most folks are kind of iffy about.

All we pro-lifers are asking for is that folks be appointed to the courts, especially the Supreme Court, who do not view Roe as inviolate. After all, that is what the demon, Specter, said about Roe, that it is inviolate, it has the status of Brown vs. Board of Education.

If we pro-lifers cannot even count on a Republican President WITH A 55-MEMBER REPUBLICAN SENATE being able to get folks on the Supreme Court who do not consider Roe inviolate, then we have wasted our time working for Republican candidates, especially presidential candidates.

If the alleged Republican Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee acts on his views that Roe is inviolate, then we have been wasting our time.

That's the bottom line.


sitetest


739 posted on 11/13/2004 4:58:31 PM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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