Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
Thanks for the ping. This is a real hot-button issue, and I agree with the sentiments of all of your posts. We are in the midst of a pendulum swing. Pro-lifers (myself included) dare not DEMAND anything. We elected President Bush. Let's trust him to make the right decisions in this area, beginning with judges. Roe v Wade will not be overturned overnight, but I am happy to say that we have made tremendous strides in EDUCATING the American public on the great atrocity that abortion is, and that, along with sonograms is what is changing the hearts and minds of people. Those with hardened hearts (Planned Parenthood comes to mind) will NEVER change. "A gentle answer turns away wrath." So it is with convincing people that abortion is . . . genocide.
Pre birth control days: That's why prostitutes were invented.
You - funny stuff, right there
You - [post 690] The pro-aborts can't...
While this construction is right out of the loony right talking points, it isn't a grammatical construction. You cannot follow a preposition by a verb and then make a plural of it by adding an "s.".
Dear AndyJackson,
Not all post-viability abortions are PBA. Remember, 22 - 24 weeks is just about the point of viability.
A few more years, and it will be lower than that.
sitetest
It's such an emotionally charged issue. I tend to get overly charged about it some times. Its not that I want women to get abortions, I would rather work towards the roots of the problem rather than tackle it in a military like manner. I feel that it's quite easy to push people away on both sides of this issue. If we are going to reduce the number of abortions it has to be done on a cultural rather than governmental level.
"I support the restoration of Christendom and the social Kingship of Jesus Christ as authoritatively adminstered by the Holy Catholic Church.""
I don't think kjvail was referring to the U.S., its laws, government, people, and land mass as the subjects of that authority, were you, kj?
I have my opinion on my own thank you very much. I am just trying to make conversation like these posts are for. So, thanks for your input.
Though, I couldn't disagree more with this statement:
The very thought that an American citizen would not vote in an election for any reason is repellent to me.
There's no reason to ever encourage the ignorant to vote. That's MTV's job.
I just don't agree with it, I find it rather hypocritical, let God decide when they get to the afterlife when their time comes, it is not for humans to decide, or should not be IMHO.
>The unborn human has rights<
Rights schmites! Let's hope the Peterson conviction of second degree MURDER of his unborn son sets a MIGHTY PRECEDENT AGAINST ABORTION.
Amen
Well I guess I am different in that I don't mind paying taxes to keep a son of a bitch murderer locked up for life rather than get the easy lethal injection way out. It just seems to me hypocritical, and it is not a punishment for the murderer. That person may not go to hell so as long as they confess their sins and believe in the Lord, so why kill them? They are getting the easy way out. Let them sit for years and years and years with no freedom in there, and that IMO, is punishment.
Aborting babies is killing, death penatly is killing a person, even if they did murder. It is still killing someone.
Dear JeffAtlanta,
"Respectfully, I don't think this is true. It makes big news anytime that conservatives try to put any type of restriction at all on abortion."
You'd be surprised. The pro-aborts, even as they fight even the slightest restrictions on abortion, make out to folks that most abortions are for rape or incest, or a mother's life, and that there is a health restriction for later-term abortions.
Well, the states ARE permitted to make a health restriction for later term abortions. That is what Roe v. Wade says. However, lots of folks don't realize that "health," as interpreted by the Supreme Court, is so vast as to be meaningless.
Lots of folks don't really have a lot of solid factual knowledge about the topic. It is a very emotional topic, and often, folks don't even want to hear. I know that I tried for decades to tell my own mother about this stuff. She refused to listen. Just flat out refused. "Woman's body" "Between her god, her doctor, and herself" and all the other unadulterated crap.
Two years before she died, I learned she'd had a complete change of heart, and had come to a position to desire that laws be changed to nearly ban abortion. I asked, hey, what's up?
She said, "Did you know that over 96% of abortions are NOT about life of the mother, rape, incest, or severe deformity?? Many women are using abortion as birth control! Did you know there are over 1.3 million abortions per year in this country??"
I said, "Mom, I told you that 20 years ago."
"No, you didn't!!"
"Well, I tried, you just wouldn't listen!"
"You didn't say it nicely!"
Well, perhaps. Yes, it's all my fault. ;-)
Who knows. From my perspective, she was quite invested in her beliefs about "a woman's body" and all that crap, and just wouldn't listen. But someone, or perhaps Someone, got through to her somehow, some way.
But it's hard. The pro-abortion fascists have done a good job of foisting onto our society, and Western society in general, the entire Big Lie.
sitetest
I can imagine that you guys have scared the bejesus out of the NOW crowd, who would feel that to give and inch is to lose the war. Their fear is rational because that is exactly where you want it to go, and you want to take the women who have abortions and the doctors who perform them and the males who pay for them out and stand them against a wall and shoot them (as I finally got someone to admit 100's of posts ago in this thread).
That sort of "I will burn you at the stake to save your soul" attitude is going to create enemies much faster than it wins friends. It took about 50 years of new-deal liberalism to get us in the mess we are in, and it is going to take a whole lot of time to get us out. Political pendula only swing so fast. Because of the kinds of attitudes expressed right here, the religious right are not very much trusted by a lot of people, who fear that their hell-fire and brimstone speach will lead to a Calvinistic hell on earth. Understanding, kindness, charity, patience and adult behavior would go a long way to calming fears, but that will take time.
It isn't "pro-aborts" that are defeating you. It is your attitude.
Please, professor, enlighten us on the grammatical construction of this train-wreck (from #691):
Perhaps the babies that god butchers are souls so predisposed to corruption and damnation that god decided to end the matter right their he decided to damn the soul to the eternal fires right there. Sound gruesome - get a clue - you guys are not playing with a full deck. Stop pretending you know the will of god. You don't even understand grammar and common sense.
Hey, some of us like to live dangerously and hit the post button before proof-reading. But I don't think that that is your excuse. Also, I am not pretending to any sort of god-like perfectionism.
I admire your spirit of adventure.
It's not an English class. Try to stay on topic. That's if you have any other thing valuable to say.
Dear AndyJackson,
I'd be delighted, as a first step, to ban third trimester, and restrict second trimester abortions.
The problem is that right now, no significant restriction may be placed at all on abortion at anytime during pregnancy, up until and including the moment of birth. Period.
We pro-lifers would be delighted to take our loaf a slice at a time, or our salami that way, too. But because of Roe, Doe, and Casey, we're reduced to fighting at the fringes of the issue. Parental notification (not consent! just notification!). Waiting periods. Informed consent.
Abortion and laws dealing seriously with it have been taken out of the political process and sacralized by seven black-robed bastards who will likely burn in Hell for all eternity. They will likely be joined by the pseudo-Catholic Kennedy and the bastard Souter, as well as the unholy horror O'Connor and the rest of the pro-aborts on the Court.
The damned Left has elevated an entirely unrestricted abortion license to the status of Primary Sacrament of the Progressive Church of What's Happening Now.
To undo this requires either a radically-changed membership on the Supreme Court, or a constitutional amendment. Or maybe a congressional end-run that most folks are kind of iffy about.
All we pro-lifers are asking for is that folks be appointed to the courts, especially the Supreme Court, who do not view Roe as inviolate. After all, that is what the demon, Specter, said about Roe, that it is inviolate, it has the status of Brown vs. Board of Education.
If we pro-lifers cannot even count on a Republican President WITH A 55-MEMBER REPUBLICAN SENATE being able to get folks on the Supreme Court who do not consider Roe inviolate, then we have wasted our time working for Republican candidates, especially presidential candidates.
If the alleged Republican Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee acts on his views that Roe is inviolate, then we have been wasting our time.
That's the bottom line.
sitetest
Yes, I do support the death penalty.
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