Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
...that's never stopped you L G...
One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist, or rocket politician, in order to see that we make gains incrementally. Just getting SCOTUS to not invalidate the partial birth abortion ban would be cause for frantic celebration. Wanting to all of a sudden eliminate legal abortion in this society ain't going to happen...no deus ex machina here, I'm afraid!
Ok, we're down to the lunatic baby-butchering RINOs, so I shall move on with a beautiful Fall Saturday...
You will think I am delusional, but here goes: I first got pregnant in 1993 and had a miscarriage. I was crushed. I then had my first son. Three years later, I had my second son, my autistic baby, and he is such an angel. I swear that not long after he was born, I just knew he was the first baby I had lost, finally out in the world.
You start breeding at age 14, push out 10 or 12 kids or until you die in child birth, which is likely, and exit this world by age 33. It's god's way.
Yes they should
I just love all the innocent acting folks on this board who feel they have all of Gods love to themselves. I support murdering Iraqi children, just not american babies.
I support the foetus but not the child. I know who is going to heaven and who will face God's wrath. I am the know it all who will make your life better, yet will do nothing to help you out.
It is definitely not outside my belief system for this to be true. It is quite possible you have given birth to your son again!
Your problem is that you have so little self-esteem that you would be all undone to imagine that you might have evolved from an Ape, and so you substitute sneers for rational thought. Your lack of self-esteem is well deserved since you can even keep straight the meaning of common ordinary words. Your recklessness in this regard is immoral. I would presume that non of your interlocutors are baby-butchers and that this is just pure slander, but maybe you have other evidence.
I can't, I am one of the unwashed, unwanted Catholics the Patriots are aiming at.
God Bless.
"It's right and wrong that people can't accept - for their own selfish, ignorant, misguided reasons. Usually darkness and/or ignorance..."
And, of course, you are the one who will determine what right and wrong are. I don't have a problem with right and wrong, I get to decide for myself what right and wrong are. No one else can!
Ping
I guess paganism has made deeper inroads into Protestant theology than I thought. What you have articulated here is a belief in reincarnation.
I accept the first clause, not the second.
Your rejection of the reality that the argument exists is irrational. We have no way to resolve it, so would you lose by default.
The newly-created human being also enjoys natural rights.
That's an arguable opinion.
Rights do not come from recognition by the government. All human beings have natural rights. The instant after conception, a woman still enjoys her natural rights.
Agreed.
So does the newly-created human being within her.
You repeat, -- I repeat. --- that is an unresolved Constitutional question as to exactly when that fertilized human egg develops into a person with rights of its own.
Well, that's another argument.
Its the same argument, one you can't rebut.
The Supreme Court of 1973 hijacked the whole question.
No, they simply said they didn't know when 'personhood' began, and that states must use due process in regulating abortion. They suggested that States use the trimester 'scheme' we all argue about.
Nonetheless, rights precede states and governments, and precede government recognition thereof. If rights are inalienable (do you believe that?), then they inhere as a matter of existence. If a human being exists, she has inalienable rights.
Yep, at some unknown point a fertilized human egg develops into a person with inalienable rights.
One of those is to life. The existence of a human being begins at the conception of the human being. Thus, the human being's fundamental rights also begin at that point.
You opinion does not become a fact by repetition.
Until you can honestly admit that governments have no power to decide those issues, we will have to let juries, operating under due process, do it.
Governments certainly have the power to recognize the rights that inhere inalienably to human beings.
Your begging the question again. Are fertilized human eggs 'beings with rights'.
In fact, to this they are obligated. That is why there are laws against various sorts of unjust homicide, theft, fraud, etc.
And that is why we have trials by juries, not decrees by legislators.
Deciding the facts of an individual case, guilt or innocence, whether or not someone actually transgressed the law, is the job of the jury. Making law that protects the rights of ALL human beings is the job of the government.
Exactly. ALL human beings, -- including pregnant women.
That's the American way.
There ya have it, naked moral relativism. The very sin that brought down Adam and Eve.
And he commanded him, saying: Of every tree of paradise thou shalt eat: But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.
Genesis 2:16-17
Now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you, that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? And the woman answered him, saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it, lest perhaps we die. And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death. For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.
And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband who did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened: and when they perceived themselves to be naked, they sewed together fig leaves, and made themselves aprons.
Genesis 3:1-7
Want to know the why? for abortion and all the evils of the modern world? There it is for all to see.
You know, I don't think God gets His panties in a wad about the idiosyncrasies of our feelings (and what I articulated was a feeling) and the minutiae of our every thought. Jesus hung on the cross and said, "It is finished." 'Nuff said.
"For you to say that my sister had "lived long enough" is reprehensible."
I didn't say that. Another LIE told about me by you. What you do know, or ought to, is that my views are exactly that of the Church, therefore if it is my viewpoint you find REPREHENSIBLE, then you are condemning the views of the Church. OTOH if it the LIES you have told of me that are reprehensible, well then remember THEY ARE LIES. Lies told by you about me.
Do you always debate people by telling lies about them, or is it just Catholic posters you abuse?
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