Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
Do you think the trunour for Bush would have been there without the homosexual marriage issue playing so prominently this year?
Who said anything about overturning Roe? Not W. Not that I'm aware of. Show me the quote. Prolife has support in
the Republican party and NOWHERE else. The fact is that there is no "or else." The "or else" is that you will allow your agenda to sink even further into obscurity if you stay home on election day.
Thats exactly their problem.. Not that abortion is not important just its not ALL IMPORTANT.. This attitude will sink the very ship they are standing on.. More important than abortion is the morphing of America into a democracy.. solve that and the abortion issue can be solved. DON'T.. solve that problem and abortion and other equally heinous crimes will proliferate.. Federal power is sucking more than our babies down a rat hole.. its sucking our window of opportunity to do anything about those problems away..
One issue genious's will sink the ship with their blinders on.. Will somebody please any SHOOT any one issue genious's.. them folks'll get us.. copmpletely socialized..
Yet another threat.
BTW, I am "the folks." I can take care of myself. Why can't you?
On that, you are correct.. I emphasized the need for compassion for the victims of rape or incest.
You ( and others of your ilk ) care for nothing but yourselves and your wishes..
In your posting, you state (in other words) that keeping EVIL legal is better public policy.
"In other words" in "Your Words"
You ascribe the word EVIL which I have never used, and contend that I wish to "keep it legal"..
That's a mis-characterization..
You also call Catholic's who believe what the Christ teaches are EXTREMISTS who ought not to be allowed to make policy.
Again, you put words in my mouth you cannot quote..
My characterization of YOU as an extremist is not a license for you to characterize my statement(s) as a condemnation of a religion.
My original posting, at the beginning:
While I would encourage all to choose life, rather than abortion, I fail to see the wisdom of forcing anyone..
And, whether it's a poor tactic or not, (and you are obviously not my "ally") I will tell you again..
Grow up..
You can't have everything and you can't have it now..
That's the behaviour of a juvenile, a 4 year old..
Your behaviour and attitude make more enemies than allies, and you will set the movement back another 10 years..
As was pointed out in an earlier post, the gay marriage agenda is a very good example of what happens when you "tick off" enough people..
You get "backlash"..
I'll say it once more, for effect..
We have made enormous progress..
But we have to change attitudes, not force submission.
Flies, honey, vinegar...
Do a Google on it.. see what you find..
Thankfully the majority of people in this country are smart enough to know such an opinion is asinine. If every person who is pro-life followed your way of thinking, we'd now have President Kerry and a Congress overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats. Then we could look forward to a Supreme Court controlled by hardcore liberals with maybe Thomas and Scalia the only conservatives left.
Combatting evil is priority #1.
How do you combat evil by staying home and letting the ones who actually support that which you are opposing win elections?
Deciding to leave isn't the same as being barred.
And you wonder why you turn so many people off?
You can put me down under "ilk" as I believe in the 3 exceptions.
Sue me.
While a majority of Americans don't condone abortions, they prefer giving women the option of having one in a clean safe environment versus gouging out the fetus with a wire hanger in some back alley. THAT is what you seem to advocate. No thanks.
Bush and his advisors are in tune with the issues Americans focus on these days--it isn't abortion or "morality" (who gets to define what morality even is?). If morality had been an issue in this election cycle, Mr. Keyes would have done better in Illinois. In fact, he turned out less votes than he should have. That is a clue to what doesn't ail us Republicans--and to what issues concern Americans.
.. Assume that W gets to put three conservative judges on the SC tomorrow..all of whom are staunchly pro-life. Roe would be overturned..
Not if those new judges honored their oaths to support the Constitution. And once sworn, they probably would.
but not on moral grounds, that abortion is a crime...rather that Roes was bad law..finding a "right" that didn't exist in the Constitution..
"Due process" is a well established Constitutional right. It even applies to pregnant women, believe it or not.
and it would sent the question of abortion back to the several states, for the legistatures to decide..
The legislators in States can not Constitutionally infringe upon an individuals right to due process, -- any more than they can on our RKBA's.
The sad fact that States are indeed so infringing, -- only shows how corrupt our whole political system has become.
True dat! Some of us think that there are what we call exceptions to the rule. While we generally agree with you on abortion, we try to understand that maybe, just maybe, not everyone sees things the same way. I think I'm "ilk" too.
Dammit! When are YOU going to stick with the Republican Platform?!
The platform opposes same-sex marriage INCLUDING same-sex "civil unions" (same thing). Yet, in the thread you've posted defending civil unions.
The platform even opposes Roe v. Wade (what do you think the human life amendment would do?) yet you aren't supporting overturning it.
If you and George Bush and the Republican Party would just stick with what is in the damned platform, we'd all be a whole lot better off.
In the Old Testament there was a people who were sacrificing their firstborn to the god Moloch. This sacrifice of innocence was executed for the hopes of prosperity.
Our nation has engaged in the same practice. It must end now that we have the authority to end it.
Maybe we should form an "ilk clique?"
Kindly link the post where I did that.
We can all wait.
If we persist in genocide against infants, then that's what this nation will deserve.
Is abortion always evil?
Or are you taking one statement, not directed at you, and of which you do not know the context, and applying it to yourself ?
Let me make that more clear..
I'm not talking to you.. Shut up..
Go suck a lemon.
Maybe we should form an "ilk clique?"
Absolutely. Maybe even a political party. "Vote ILK in 2006!"
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