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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: Howlin

Prissy? LOL...

I was simply commenting on your comment.

Why do you feel the need to downplay and marginalize the role of pro-lifers and evangelicals?

'Tis a strange thing...


281 posted on 11/13/2004 9:34:16 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Howlin
Abortion is the key issue in every national election in this day in which we live.

You may need for that to be true, but it's not.

If you were pro-life it would be clear that support of abortionists is more evil than supporting islamofacists. Either you are with us or you are with the evil enemy.

We have the guns to defend ourselves. If those we elect don't defend us, we can take it into our own hands.

Babies don't have guns. Defend them today against the terrorists that have been reigning for 30 years within our own country!

282 posted on 11/13/2004 9:34:55 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: Howlin

"And what makes you think they are not?"

Specter and his remarks on the day after the election.

"You should expend as much time changing the hearts of women as you do trashing the GOP."

Since you don't know me, you have no clue what I do. What you must do is show me where I spent any time "trashing the GOP", or retract that claim. (Or be branded as one who will lie about other people in cheap attempts to score meaningless points.)


283 posted on 11/13/2004 9:34:58 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: JeffAtlanta

It is disgusting that you think that the lives of 1.3 million innocent children per year are simply a political football for you and the Republican Party to toss about.


284 posted on 11/13/2004 9:35:30 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Kuksool

Ku, you have to understand that there are people on this site that just LIKE being miserable; always have to have something to carp about.

For me personally, I never expect anybody in office to agree with my every living breathing thought.

Lots of people have been demanding things from George W. Bush for five years that he never even promised.


285 posted on 11/13/2004 9:35:31 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: buddyholly

Try reading more carefully, we are NOT saying "do what I say or else", we are saying "do what you said you will do or else", a very different thing.


286 posted on 11/13/2004 9:36:21 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: bondserv
If you were pro-life it would be clear that support of abortionists is more evil than supporting islamofacists.

Don't even try that crap with me.

I am perfectly capapble of thinking more than one thing at one time, a concept that is no doubt foreign to myopic voters.

287 posted on 11/13/2004 9:36:48 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

"Michael Barone is one of the most respected political "statisticians" in this day and age."

AND he's Pro-Life to boot! Good guy, that Michael is.


288 posted on 11/13/2004 9:37:10 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Howlin; Kuksool

GOP Platform Is Broadly Pro-life
Culture of Life Foundation
Tuesday, Aug. 31, 2004
A platform robust with pro-life planks was passed yesterday by delegates during the opening session of the Republican National Convention being held this week at Madison Square Garden in New York.

The 94-page document, "A Safer World, A More Hopeful Tomorrow," calls for constitutional amendments banning abortion and gay "marriage," a comprehensive ban on cloning, continued denial of federal money for research on new embryonic stem cell lines, abstinence education and other measures that bolster the sanctity of life and the traditional family.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/31/165045.shtml


289 posted on 11/13/2004 9:37:34 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Howlin

OK..but don't forget to 'play nice' on the thread..Remember, the LAST time you got suspended, I offered to serve it for you..LOL..that thread was a hoot...


290 posted on 11/13/2004 9:38:03 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Luis Gonzalez

LG, if gay marriage issues had not been on ballots around the country, we would be trying to figure out how to block socialist Kerryisms from the White House for the next four years.


291 posted on 11/13/2004 9:38:08 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: narses

What's your point? I haven't denied one word of that.

I'm here discussing the WARNING from the PRO-LIFERS (as if you speak for all of us) to the GOP.


292 posted on 11/13/2004 9:41:07 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Skywalk; Vicomte13

>pro-lifers so maniacal about this one issue they'd accept a rule by Communism so long as the Commies banned abortion<

Abortion IS a form of Communism, Skywalk.

>abortion not the same as gulags, extermination camps...<

Maybe not extermination camps, but extermination rooms rather than delivery rooms.


293 posted on 11/13/2004 9:41:20 AM PST by Paperdoll (.........on the cutting edge)
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To: ken5050

Oh, I know; people on these threads hit the abuse button like it's crack.


294 posted on 11/13/2004 9:41:38 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: bondserv

"Either you are with us or you are with the evil enemy."


So what you'r essentially saying is that anyone with a differing viewpoint on abortion than you is your enemy. That's simply not true. Some of us just have other issues that we take into consideration on election day. For example, oh, I don't know...maybe the fact that 3000 people died AT THE SAME TIME a while back and there are many more to follow if we don't act now! No one is marginalizing you. You are the ones issueing threats and ultimatums.



295 posted on 11/13/2004 9:41:50 AM PST by buddyholly
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To: MHGinTN

My wife is Jewish...hardly evangelical.

She was opposed to gay marriage.

No one can claim title to this victory.


296 posted on 11/13/2004 9:42:08 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: jan in Colorado
Welcome to the Pro-Life Ping List!

Also, please take time to visit my websites:

CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE at:
http://www.CpForLife.org’

NATIONAL AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL at:
http://www.CpForLife.org/Memorial

Knights For Life at
http://www.KnightsForLife.org

Thanks,

Kevin

297 posted on 11/13/2004 9:42:54 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Howlin
I am perfectly capapble of thinking more than one thing at one time, a concept that is no doubt foreign to myopic voters.

Combatting evil is priority #1.

Abortion is more evil than Saddams torture chambers (which was extremely evil by the way). The reason Bush is in Iraq is two words "combatting evil". He will combat the evil of abortion.

Moving in with my folks for a while because the economy takes a dip holds no concern for us compared to EVIL.

If the GOP misses this one be prepard to move in with your folks!

298 posted on 11/13/2004 9:43:37 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: cpforlife.org
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work.

While I agree with your position on abortion 100%, I find it amazing that you think it is smarter to sit at home and not vote rather than cast a vote for third party candidate like Peroutka? I don't get it, and don't think God will either. Don't ever stop voting, if you do, then your voice will be meaningless in America. And yes, I proudly voted for Michael A. Peroutka!

299 posted on 11/13/2004 9:43:40 AM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: kjvail
I think he has something in his analysis. Get rid of the Coalition of Christian Conservatives, and usher in the coaltion of pro-aborts, pro-taxes, pro-nationalized healthcare, etc. They probably would at least equal current party numbers. Problem is, I don't think that's exactly what they had in mind when they decided to 'remake' the party, or not care if we don't come back now, ya hear?

Truth being stranger than fiction though, in 15 years or so who's to say, if roles won't be reversed? Republicans didn't always draw their inspiration from the common folk.

I'm really hoping for a democrat revival. In the interest of our Country, it's needed, big time!

I'm basicially with you in that the pro-life position is the main reason I ventured over to the Republican side.

Taxes are important, but everyone has their hand in the cookie jar, and nearly all citizens have supported and taken advantage of pooled tax revenues. It's a weak incentive for me at least.

I also find the Republicans attitude towards the environment to be tilted too much towards the business side of the issue. It is a tough issue though, because tough environmental standards can definitely lead to a loss of jobs.

I live in NY, I had to hold my nose and vote for Pataki. The only reason I originally voted for him was to get Mario out, as he was getting ready to nationalize the utilties in our State.

But the State is still in serious financial trouble, and Upstate is dying a slow, miserable, somber death. Shumer actually has tried to bring some industry and businesses to some of the surrounding towns. If he runs against Pataki, I'm voting for him, plain and simple because he has extended himself to try to help our part of the State.

To the best of my knowledge, Pataki hasn't done nearly as much for Upstate. Party means nothing.

300 posted on 11/13/2004 9:43:54 AM PST by AlbionGirl (+Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccata mundi.+)
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