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Possible Kidnapping Caught on Tape
www.foxnews.com | Friday, November 12, 2004 | Associated press

Posted on 11/12/2004 7:05:47 AM PST by rd1tx

Possible Kidnapping Caught on Tape Friday, November 12, 2004

CORONA, Calif. — Two men were caught on a mall's security camera as they chased a woman through a parking structure, then grabbed and stuffed her into the trunk of a car.

Nearby shoppers seemed to notice the apparent abduction, but none attempted to stop it.

Police on Thursday were still trying to determine the identities of the woman, believed to be in her 20s, and two men involved in the Sunday evening incident at the Corona Discount Mall.

The woman's videotaped reaction upon seeing the men suggested she knew them.

Detective Frank Zellers said the incident was being investigated as a kidnapping.

"It's very discouraging right now and it's really difficult for us, because we don't know who the victim is," he told KCAL-TV. "And it's obvious that some kind of crime occurred. We don't know who the suspects are and who the victim is."

The department had received several calls from witnesses and others in recent days, but had no solid leads, Officer Jesse Jurado said. He said investigators had not yet ruled out the possibility that the incident was a hoax.

A security camera with a view outside the front of the mall recorded the scene as the woman walked from a parking lot to the sidewalk outside the entrance.

When a black Toyota Solara raced up and braked, the woman looked over her shoulder at the car and took off running into a parking structure with the vehicle in pursuit.

Despite a fuzzy videotape image, the woman can be seen running down a parking aisle as two men jump out of the Solara and chase her. One man threw the woman over his shoulder, carried her back to the car and put her in the trunk, which the other man had opened.

A security guard at the mall heard the woman yelling for someone to call the police as she was being stuffed in the trunk, Jurado said.

A handful of shoppers visible in the foreground of the scene appeared to turn their heads and watch the incident. In addition, several motorists drove through the scene.

The car's right front tire was a smaller, spare donut-type tire, police said.

Corona is a Riverside County city of 138,000 about 40 miles southeast of Los Angeles.


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What a shame that people actually just "stood" by and did nothing to help this woman. Typical "not my problem" attitude by alot of Americans. Shame shame. What ever happened to help thy neighbor.
1 posted on 11/12/2004 7:05:47 AM PST by rd1tx
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To: rd1tx

Would you have approached these gansta punks without being armed?


2 posted on 11/12/2004 7:08:32 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: rd1tx
What a shame that people actually just "stood" by and did nothing to help this woman. Typical "not my problem" attitude by alot of Americans. Shame shame. What ever happened to help thy neighbor.

Before you condemn the people around the scene, you should find out what happened. My guess is that things happened very quickly and the people didn't even realize what was going on.

3 posted on 11/12/2004 7:09:40 AM PST by mikegi
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To: TexasCajun

Have you ever broadsided someone with a flying cross-body tackle from between two parked cars? It's amazingly effective, and quite stealthy, to be honest.


4 posted on 11/12/2004 7:12:17 AM PST by MortMan (John Kerry - Lt. Clueless, Junior Grade)
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To: TexasCajun

No way. I would have at least got on my cell phone ASAP though.


5 posted on 11/12/2004 7:12:55 AM PST by The G Man (The "Red States" ... the world's only hope for survival.)
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To: TexasCajun

Always armed with something. Most people have cell phones these days and can call immediately. Hopefully atleast 1 person got the license plate number. Besides you of all people should know that you never know who's carrying a gun here in Texas. I love our concealed handgun law. :)


6 posted on 11/12/2004 7:13:01 AM PST by rd1tx (Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know.)
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"Nearby shoppers seemed to notice the apparent abduction, but none attempted to stop it."

"Would you have approached these gansta punks without being armed?"

Probably Dem voters - not a concealed carry weapon among them.

7 posted on 11/12/2004 7:13:55 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: rd1tx
In this photo released Thursday, Nov. 11, 2004, by the Corona Police, a woman, in the upper right corner of the image, is seen running from a vehicle as others look on. The camera captured the apparent kidnapping of a woman Sunday, Nov. 7, who was chased through a Corona, Calif. shopping mall parking structure by two men, grabbed and stuffed into the trunk of a car as shoppers seemed to notice but took no action. (AP Photo/Corona Police)
Thu Nov 11, 9:35 PM ET
AP

In this photo released Thursday, Nov. 11, 2004, by the Corona Police, a woman, in the upper right corner of the image, is seen running from a vehicle as others look on. The camera captured the apparent kidnapping of a woman Sunday, Nov. 7, who was chased through a Corona, Calif. shopping mall parking structure by two men, grabbed and stuffed into the trunk of a car as shoppers seemed to notice but took no action. (AP Photo/Corona Police)

8 posted on 11/12/2004 7:14:07 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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I dare to say this....but we should protect women more. Walk with them, insist they do not go alone anywhere with out a male friend or two. I hope that doesn't sound too conservitive....or other...


9 posted on 11/12/2004 7:14:59 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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To: TexasCajun

Yes. I would have at least parked my car in front of theirs or SOMETHING to distract them.
Anything to stop this kind of stuff. These clowns KNOW they can get away with it because they know they can count on 'bystanders' to take the attitude "I might get hurt - I'm gonna mind my own business..."


10 posted on 11/12/2004 7:15:24 AM PST by JustPlainJoe
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Would you have approached these gansta punks without being armed?

This was in Kalifornia where only gansta punks and the overlords are allowed to be armed.

11 posted on 11/12/2004 7:15:32 AM PST by ASA Vet (Future Iraqi maps should show the Fullujah Crater.)
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I saw that tape and the female DEFINETLY knew the kidnappers because she recognised the car EVEN BEFORE IT STOPPED and started running. My guess, they were her pimps or she owed them drug money. What's odd is so many bystanders have cell phones today and could've wrote down the car license plates and phoned it into authorites and this incident would be solved asap.


12 posted on 11/12/2004 7:16:18 AM PST by SunnySide
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To: Psalm 73
Exactly me thoughts. If I had a gun, maybe, but otherwise, the most a regular shopper could do was watch to get as much information as possible.

Was Chuck Norris there?

13 posted on 11/12/2004 7:16:30 AM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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He said investigators had not yet ruled out the possibility that the incident was a hoax.

Bump

14 posted on 11/12/2004 7:17:46 AM PST by RGSpincich
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I hope it isn't one of those stupid pranks I see on MTV. It's not funny and should be prosecuted.


15 posted on 11/12/2004 7:18:28 AM PST by cyborg
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To: JustPlainJoe

Most witnesses were not close enough to their own cars to accomplish that.


16 posted on 11/12/2004 7:18:30 AM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: rd1tx
Always armed with something. Most people have cell phones these days and can call immediately.

I think that's a waste of time. I tried calling 911 a couple of weeks ago while watching a road rage guy threaten another driver with a car.... in the middle of a busy road that he had stopped in the middle of. The 911 operator (a member of Jessie's minority) was like.. you can't file a complaint unless he's waving the gun at you. Seriously.... I finally hung up on her after about 30 seconds of frustration. Fortunately the guy didn't shoot anybody. But if I had shot him or something.... I'd be in jail for taking the law into my own hands.

17 posted on 11/12/2004 7:19:23 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: kjam22

oops... (threatened him with a gun)


18 posted on 11/12/2004 7:20:23 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: eccentric

Yeah, you're right about that.

But this kind of stuff infuriates me. I'd have done SOMETHING and don't understand when there's people around who don't.


19 posted on 11/12/2004 7:21:37 AM PST by JustPlainJoe
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To: The G Man

Or a license number , or a description, or follow them and call in the position to police. there is alot you can do and not get too close.

I pray that they are caught.


20 posted on 11/12/2004 7:21:42 AM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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